Pop Off: Little Mix SOLO - The Debut Singles

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_03]: We've got a UK body, an editorial diva, a pop rock naturalista and a sad angel.

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It's time for the Little Mix Pop Off SOLO Debut Edition.

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, another pop-off here on CCTV and this one was chosen by one of our producers, Lily.

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[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_01]: hang out with us and the rest of our producers Emily, George, Lily, Louis and Juliette.

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. We're so excited to do another Little Mix episode.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yes. Oh wow. That one was the first episode.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That one did really well or has been doing really well for us so

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[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_03]: All right y'all so we do pop-offs quite frequently on our show so if you're new here

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a competition all right? It's a battle all right? It's also meant for pure fun

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_03]: so definitely don't take it too seriously. Join us in the comments and let us win,

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_03]: let us know what wins for you in the comments. Excuse me. So yeah if you're like a solo stan

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: it's your moment to shine okay? We love Little Mix as a group but right now the girls are going

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: in the ring head-to-head as solo artists. Yes. Let's get ready. Trumbull! Round one.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And the first player in the ring is Jesse Nelson with Boys featuring Nicki Minaj

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and this was produced by Loose Change written by Jesse herself. Nicki Minaj absolutely a

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_03]: man to a tweet. Evitiel Margell... Evitiel Margolese.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Dio Patrick Jordan Petricos, Petricios,

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Euthonix, Diddy, Mark Curry, Bristol, Drayton Gross, Black Rob and Megahertz and God is a lot of

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_03]: writers here but it's only because of the sample in Diddy's Bad Boy for Life. That was really

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_03]: but it makes sense we've had people from the night the 2000s writing on this and their

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_03]: sample being used and then the people who were on it currently. All right so...

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah before we actually get into it yes I know Jesse is no longer a member of Little Mix but she

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: was so that's why we're including her here because I know she counts. Can I just say all

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: the people who have made the AI edited videos where they've completely cut her out of like

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: the history of Little Mix? It's like it's kind of hilarious but no she definitely was important

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: for the group when she was in it so... Absolutely! Yes let's not fully disnice her.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes also this is also a extra bad because Mr. Diddy has now been arrested. Oh diddler

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah dirty. Anyway yeah so go ahead what do you think? Oh Dan! First round is about the song

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_03]: itself. Yes song, the lyrics, production all that good stuff um so this one was interesting

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_03]: because I remember the coup plas around her leaving right um so I need a mental break I need time I need

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I need and those could have been valid points but instead of just being a real ambulance I just

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_03]: want to just jump right into it or just waiting the last album and finishing out I don't know

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_03]: so I don't know what she was thinking about but for this to be the debut song that she had

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_03]: people I think it was a little surprising. I mean she always was like a really good dancer

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and the group kind of leaned more toward like the hip hop kind of dancing but the whole R&B,

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: pop R&B diva thing I did not expect from her. I will say like vocally speaking her articulation

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_03]: was definitely an attempt to have a sound as like the UK baddie but she sounds a little bit drunk

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: you know she sounded a little bit sloshed a little bit. She's always sounded like that though

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: to be fair it's not like it's a new sound she's always had issues with her enunciation

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and this like just like enhanced it I don't know just stylistic choices yeah that's what

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a stylistic choice but you know it just sounded a little like funkier than usual like

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I like it. You know what I'm talking about come on man so no yeah that was great impression

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_03]: thank you she doesn't sound bad though like not terrible I just didn't know stylistically

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: speaking it was just like huh what is she saying um I liked her in Little Mix like

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: she's the reason I got into the group and then I'm another member kind of made me stay but um

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_03]: vocally nothing outstanding because she can sing which is kind of interesting

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_03]: but the pre-hook and the R&B breakdown would have been a fun bridge moment I think I feel like

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: that part of the song was the most like okay finally something fresh and new I feel like

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: when you do a remake of a song even you just do the same dry old thing or you can kind of

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: revamp it and give it a new life and I feel like unfortunately the advantage wasn't taken

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_03]: with this song where it was like let's give the chorus something else other than repeating

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_03]: the melody of the original where's the additional melody to elevate it like it's lame if you just

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: repeat what was already done it's a remake at this point um it's like the girl version

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean the sentiment of the song is super relatable because there's a bunch of girls who

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_03]: like I love that boys me I like squares give me a nerd but the point is this would

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: have been a great bumper for a reality show if the girl was like yeah I know he's back

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: for me but I still want him and like you know as a reality show is playing or something like it

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: would have been good for that but I think with all the bad press around it as well just didn't get its

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_03]: day in court really um and um Nicki Minaj on it not a bad feature to have but wasn't the best

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_03]: verse so you have all these elements here that was just like kind of lackluster

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_03]: and we know that both of them could do better but they kind of just gave like

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: beat b plus work well b plus is actually relatively high well so it's interesting because obviously the

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: pr around yeah at the time was just really not positive right and she didn't really do much to

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: help that like she would say like that little makes this music was not

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: you know her style and this is right her and like right I don't know like it's hard to judge

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: this song completely objectively I think given now that it's been some time that's helped a little bit

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: that we can kind of look at it a little bit more kind of objectively um but yeah I get that this was

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: the type of music that she loved like growing up and so I think as a debut solo like statement I

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: understand yeah what they were going for and good for her for getting Nicki on it and Diddy's

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: team's you know approval and all that like that's you know that's a feat you know yeah

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the production itself is actually pretty good like the way they sampled that boy for life on

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: the production side was done pretty well and I kind of like how fuzzy kind of the whole thing is yeah

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: vocally yeah I mean her styling has never been really my favorite I've kind of grew to

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: appreciate it in little makes this stuff yeah but when it's just her and it's not balanced by the others

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: it's it is a little divisive I would say yeah because it's just not the most nice sounding

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: you know uh yeah but yeah I just think the whole thing is just trying a little too hard

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: like it doesn't feel super genuine yeah like it is just like I'm putting on a character

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of thing which is fine because a lot of pop stars do do that yeah but again with the PR of it all

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just hard to take her too seriously I think it's fine you know like you said they brought

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: so heavily from bad boy for life it's like if you know that song it's easy to kind of catch

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: on to it yeah um so yeah I see what they were trying to do as a statement you know yes

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm curious what her original kind of second single choice what or what the overall plan was

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's definitely not like I doubt this was meant to be a like one more time situation where

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like becomes her signature track like I think it was more a statement kind of thing and then

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: her artistry was probably shown more in the other tracks but then obviously with how badly

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: this all did like we never really got to hear most of the other stuff that she was working on so

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I don't know it's hard to judge it objectively but if I try to even then it's like just okay

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah yeah yeah yeah I think I liked it ish the song but it just didn't go anywhere now looking back

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_03]: on it I'm like hmm yeah still didn't go anywhere dang could have been something well that being said

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_03]: we're moving on to flayer 2 leon with don't say love yes and this was done by leon lg jimmy gutch

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: john bellion and pete nappy oh john bellion did this one okay yes he did oh what do you

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: thoughts on this one I like it I guess yeah I would say I think the collage influence is cool

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: it does feel distinctively British in a way which is great like I think the production is cool it

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_01]: feels very well rounded and full it's just not very impactful like the chorus I don't know there's

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: not I'm not much is done to kind of make the chorus a moment oh and I actually like the verses

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: more than the chorus I would say actually okay uh I think she sounds good like she sounds very

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: relaxed overall but there's not much in terms of harmonies and backing vocals and stuff and maybe

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: that's also part of it yeah because her voice just doesn't have a ton of body like it's quite a thin

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: tone and I know through the year she's been developing her belts and she's done a lot more

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: ad-libs and stuff through the years and little mix but she just doesn't have the same impact

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: vocally that Harry and Jade do when they also do that yeah yeah so yeah it's just not nothing about

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it really makes me like stop what I'm doing to like pay attention if that makes sense yeah okay yeah I do

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: enjoy the middle when it kind of breaks down a bit there's some great tension building she does

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: have some like nice ad-libs at the end I think it's a decent song right but just not the most

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_01]: memorable and I would say I much prefer the R&B version oh yeah the R&B version is like that one

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah yeah you know the song is I was kind of surprised when I heard it because I didn't know

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_03]: what to expect from her because I think we had gotten Perry's solo first and I thought Leanne went

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: first no Leanne okay you're right Leanne was first Leanne was first excuse me but I was kind

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_03]: of surprised I didn't know what to expect from her I think in her identity as a little mix

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: member is quite muted almost and if you were to put like a palette in front of me her would be like a

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_03]: neutral color amongst the red and the orange and the whatever purple whatever just very vibrant

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_03]: colors right hers would be like a nice beige or a tan or like just in the group she I feel like

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: she wasn't seen as that heart stopping you know mic dropping moment and it stinks because like

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_03]: she's actually really good at emoting I enjoy her vocals on this it's not the song is not too high

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_03]: it is not too low it's definitely in her sweet spot and she definitely has a lot more vocal agility

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and sense of dynamism that we didn't always get to hear in little mix until like later on or like

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: on an album track and you're like dang she can actually sing that's crazy that and I noticed

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: when they did live performances like she would try to kind of show off her vocal chops but like

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: the pacing of the song and within her line distribution was so quick that it just sounded

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_03]: like she was kind of chasing her like her little run or whatever her skill or out of it's weird

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a weirdness that was going on I think the UK garage in this of it definitely gives a drive to

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: the song and I also said that the r&b version is good because it shows up the song's melody

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: is good without a driving beat it's just one of those things where it's like oh it's it's

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: strong enough is this song outstanding I will not say that it is like wow my god this like changed my

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_03]: life yeah it felt like a teaser of what she was giving um so I definitely appreciated it for sure

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_03]: because I was like okay this feels like for some reason I believe her I'm looking for love

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I want love to be good situation a little bit more than what's coming next I don't know

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_03]: something about her maybe because what's going on in her personal life as well I feel like she

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: has this very she did also right yeah okay that's okay that too but something about her is just seems

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_03]: very romantic and I believe her like she's like a sad puppy look sometimes she emotes really well

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_03]: when she's sad I can see it in her face so when she's singing about how sad about or she's like a

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_03]: little bit angry you can see that little face in her face I think about her just fits the concept

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_03]: so I felt more believable um so yeah I liked it I'm not like wow my god this is amazing

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_03]: but I'm not also like oh my god girl no you're better in a group yes so it's like

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: it's the middle yeah I just think I don't know there's nothing about it where it's it's tough

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: could be doing your solo thing after a group like the judgment and the expectation is I feel like

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: just really high you know because obviously if you come from a successful group it's like okay like

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: what can you do yeah oh and yeah this song I just don't think would change any opinions

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_01]: you know if like if you weren't a fan of her before I don't think this would do much to turn

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you into a fan right it's safe yeah it's safe I do wish there was some hybrid version between

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: the R&B one and the garage one because even if you just have the first verse kind of do that more

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: soulful thing and then yeah kicks in maybe after the first chorus or something I don't know

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_01]: just give it a bit more I don't know personality yeah yeah yeah for me all right so moving on to

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: player three we have Perry with forget about us and this was done by Ed Sheeran Perry David Hodges

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Steve Solomon and Andrew Goldstein okay so this song although it's asking that to be forgotten

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_03]: is forgettable um yeah I'm so sorry I'm a Perry fan she's one of those like wow I think of Claire

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I think of um uh Claire from steps I think of Perry in terms of like open their mouth and like wow

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: blasts yeah voice that's come out and I was expecting something a little bit more rockish

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: slow rock 70s rock I don't know funky something something that was a little bit more in the vein

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: of allowing her like giving her an I am song she has the voice of someone who deserves an I am

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_03]: song the what's my dream what's my goal that what am I trying to do I'm trying to accomplish

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and she can hit the notes she has a good soulful voice even when she's down in her lower um register

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: she can handle lower notes she emotes well she is vocally where a lot of people think of when

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_03]: you think of little mixes like biggest moments right so when I hear this song I was thinking like wow

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: okay where's my wow where's my moment it came at the end which I appreciate of course

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: but the build into it was less of like a like a steady momentum more like oh my god oh my god

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_03]: finally yes we got we finally got a home run after freaking eight endings on the ninth one they

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_03]: finally got one that's what it felt like um it just sounds like Bonnie McGee Katy Perry's RL

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_03]: arson it doesn't I'm trying to figure out who Perry is in these lyrics in these vocals

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean she sounds good because it's her but I don't know if the song is as like big as it's

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: pretending to be um but yeah I mean I appreciate that she doesn't get lost in the instruments because

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: she is a great vocalist but maybe it's the lyrical content but I just didn't connect with this

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_03]: sonically lyrically speaking even melodically I can't quite remember much um yeah it's it's

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_03]: this one was a little lackluster for me and I was expecting a little bit more from her nothing

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_03]: like amazing but nothing so by the numbers pop love song you know like something was just not

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: distinctive about it at all yeah yeah this kind of for me sounds like a pink or Kelly Clarkson

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: like oh yeah yeah yeah and for those of you don't know Kelly Clarkson is like one of my top top

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: faves um like I think I've seen her the most live out of any artist like ever uh

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: but yeah I but then this just doesn't hit the same way those do I think part of it actually is

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: the vocal processing because she has such a good voice right yes like we know what needs to dispute

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: that oh we don't even discuss that but there's definitely tuning on this there's some processing

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: on it which takes away some of the soulfulness of it which I think is what was needed to make

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: this kind of read a bit more and I think the other part of it also is the production is just

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: also very processed pop rock yeah though everything just feels too processed for a rockier song and

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: especially with David Hodges I was actually surprised because he's definitely done kind

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_01]: of more rocky production before yeah so like she's done an acoustic version that she released

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and there are there's live versions that she's released on streaming as well which sounds so

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: much more dynamic yeah um the acoustic one makes it a bit more countryfied as well which I think

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: works yeah yeah but then but then for some reason it still kind of feel like it still

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: feels like it has that same vocal processing on it still even then uh but yeah melodically

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah like theoretically nothing special it just makes no impact or statement

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I just wondered like did they think the Ed Sheeran co-write maybe would give it some

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: more attention than maybe that it did you know what sir yeah go off because that might be the

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: reason which is not great like I know if it's the Ed Sheeran but like during there was a certain

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_03]: time like yeah his name on track amazing wow let's go listen to it but at this point he

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: hasn't done anything that has been really that impressive to me for anyone else even for himself

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_03]: he's a great songwriter don't get me wrong I'm the one in my mama's basement but the point is

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_01]: the past couple years nothing of note really yeah well I think it's just he also has a very

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: distinctive sound as well so just for her as kind of a debut it just I don't know there's

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_01]: just nothing unique about it again kind of the same thing I said about Leanne like

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_01]: if I showed this to someone who didn't really know a little mix that well or wasn't a fan

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and I showed them this they'd just be like all right okay you know all right thanks it's not

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: gonna turn any heads yeah yeah okay well that brings us on to our final player jade with

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_03]: angel of my dreams and this was done by bill martin jade Steph jones our ipablo

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Mike Sabbath Phil Coulter and it includes a sample of puppet on a string by sandy Shaw

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_03]: the 1967 winning Eurovision song so I did not know that before we did this but something about

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: it did sound familiar because it's funny um what did you think about it though I'm gonna let you

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: kick us off I'm curious to know your thoughts on this because I feel like we both were kind of

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_03]: like looking forward to see what she was because she was the last one she got to be longest

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_03]: she's like one of your faves too right she's my favorite remember for sure yeah she also just

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_01]: talked it up quite a lot in the beginning she was gonna get a push boundaries like it's not gonna be

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: a safe song so she set expectations quite high but she did need it yeah the song is definitely weird

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: we like it's definitely unique like even from the start with the sample and then the chorus

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: just so like the melody of it itself is just so dramatic yeah um that this will grab your attention

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: even if you don't like it I would say yeah uh and I think that's the point right like you want to

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: make a statement you want to do something kind of bold here I think the good thing about coming

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: from a big girl group is you kind of already have a base of fans so do some I think she balanced

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: it well like do something that you know they would appreciate but then still kind of push boundaries

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and try to get attention from people who maybe otherwise wouldn't know you very well right

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_01]: right um but yeah the song is definitely weird especially the structure like it kind of just

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_01]: bounces all over the place but the actual melodies that are there are really nice um

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and the lyrics also reflect all these like varying emotions as well and I think that's

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_01]: part of what kind of just takes you on this whole roller coaster yeah uh so yeah I don't

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's awesome I will say the first time I heard it it was just like I didn't

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: really know how to process it at all now that I've listened to quite a few times and I

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: know kind of each part and what she's talking about and stuff it makes a lot more sense to me

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say this is similar to like k-pop songs I think it's more fun to to watch the visual

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: like I was just listening to it it's not I don't know I'm not gonna like listen to it on repeat

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot um I maybe would for the sad version the said low angelic dramatic version

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: because that one's just like so beautiful yeah she sounds so good she uses like every tone

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_01]: she has oh totally and it does what though of the past to did not like it fully makes a statement and

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: is like I've this is me coming out on my own and like doing the most yeah totally um I

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_03]: ooh whenever this one I think I liked it and I was sitting there like oh my god no she like

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I was sitting there like with artist and I was like she's like this is so annoyed I was like

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_03]: god it is so freaking good um because it is very much manic it's lush and it's bright and it's all

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_03]: over the place but at the end of the day it's a pop song like this is pop they're at a pop but you

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: know um I was like dang this collect this covers electro pop the dark electro pop it has like

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: harperish gordish kind of sounds in it and the harmonies really stood out to me um the lyrics

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_03]: are this love hate relationship with fame and sonically everything matches it's love hate

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah like this chaos and you have peace and you have some more craziness and then some more peace

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_03]: um like definitely as an artist I can relate to the lyrics and even the way it's written is just

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_03]: like oh man oh yes I love it so I hate this um the sad version displays her vocal textures a lot

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_03]: more than the original version and I think it's interesting because the original version makes

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_03]: her sound cold overly perfect and processed and almost kind of empty ish obviously she's singing

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_03]: she sounds good she has a great voice but the way that the vocals were mixed fits perfectly with

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_03]: the theme and the concept of the song so I was like oof geez that's that is also very annoying go off um

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_03]: how do y'all figure this out um I think that's what's really important too I think

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: this song was the one that was like I'm an artist yeah and that's why it's kind of tough to

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_03]: look at all these songs you're trying to figure out their identity I think I think overall that's a

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: mix of really tough for this this this this round because it's like yeah they're all great but

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: whose artistry was like really like in your face and I think right now Perry's is at the bottom

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: in terms of who she is and which is crazy because with them little identity was very obvious

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_03]: so that being said my winner of the song portion I think I've made it pretty obvious um is

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Jade yeah you know my dreams same I mean it's it's hard to beat it like I really tried to

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: put all four of these songs on a level playing field but honestly the second we heard the Jade

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: one again whether I liked it or not because I do still think it's quite jarring like other song

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's just it just makes so much more of a statement than the other three really

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I think Jesse tried yes like I understand her vision yes but yeah it's it's hard not to beat

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: this one honestly I feel like Leanne song I like and then Jesse's like a close third but Perry's at

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: the bottom for sure yes but yeah Leanne's like kind of up there a little bit I like Leanne song

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think as a first single it's just not great I think if it was an album track or something

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_03]: you know I'd be like all right this cool the second single was good though with Ira Star that

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and I like her EP you know yeah and I watched her um performance at Rockin Rio like she's definitely

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: growing as a solo artist but yeah just this is the first single just I don't know yeah out the gate

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: the angel wins not gonna do much yeah yes definitely I'm so excited to see what she does next yes

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: but let's move on to round two which is about the music video round two so back to Jesse

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah okay go for it you know what a fun looking video like I love the console of ejectivizing

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_03]: boys for the sake of videos it's so much fun is like bring your fine stuff over here and just be

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_03]: hot um even the homage in the video is cool um and just speaking on the iconography of the

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_03]: bad boy entertainment videos it was very grandiose it was like today was one of or bad way

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_03]: to change machine it was one of the first like labels to really bring that glamour into hip hop

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_03]: or it was like listen got the got the gold and the rings in the car I was like yeah Southern

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_03]: who rap was doing that too but he was doing it more like this they were doing it more like

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_03]: this corporate like I'll wear a suit you know and sell you this rock real quick at the saint

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_03]: you know I'm saying um so yeah I think it was it was good that the style was recreated in

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_03]: this way I would say is not entirely effective because it didn't exactly reinvent the wheel

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_03]: the song like the whole concept of the original video was like oh my god these negroes have moved

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: into our neighborhood oh my goodness this one was more just like I'm just trying to pay homage and

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: get attention and publicity and it's not her fault this is also director you gotta think

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_03]: outside the box because it's like I don't like the whole hood baby aesthetic either yeah I just

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: feel like it was almost too much of an homage right dude yeah it was a remake it was

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_03]: legit a remake it was like a Disney live action remake of the animated version that came out in

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_03]: 2020 2001 yeah so yeah I don't like the hood baby aesthetic either like there are so many

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: ways to lean into a bad way concept without actually being hood and the fact that you took

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_03]: something that was from black people and then like made it like oh what gangsta were even the

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_03]: dancers they're they're walked were so contrived it pissed me off because I'm like it's giving

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_03]: hip hop 101 step lean step lean grab the crotch and I was so upset I was come on guys you could

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_03]: lean into punk kind of aesthetic you can do the stereotypical pool hall fast cars there's so

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_03]: many things you could have gone with yes I would represent a deviant guy that you're attracted to it

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_03]: doesn't necessarily have to be this hood aesthetic and there's no way to get around it because

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: you had guys with braids and bandanas and nary a actual negro but the whole aesthetic was

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_03]: grills and things like that so it was just like you lost me you lost me yeah yeah also the curly hair

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_03]: elves were off in the beginning and then she went straight for the rest of it that was just

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah yeah a lot of things going on go ahead sir you do your thing go ahead what are you thought

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean okay again I understand the vision I guess like yeah you know totally yes you loved these

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_01]: videos growing up yes and she wanted to recreate them yeah but I agree with you that I just don't

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_01]: get how the people around her kind of didn't help to just modernize it a bit yeah let's curate it

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit better yeah you know okay like it's just I just feel like a lack of I don't know

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: diverse input oh the concept and the overall just kind of thing you know yeah I think they're

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: like you said there is a way she could have done something similar but not taking it so far to

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: then elicit all the kind of black fishing accusations yeah yeah yeah I I tried to I went

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: back and just kind of read some of the reactions and stuff oh yeah at the time and um yeah it's hard

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: not to just kind of feel the same way just kind of watching it back like it does feel like a person

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_01]: just taking all the old stereotypes and just you know like yeah without ever having experienced

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_01]: any anything close to it in real life yeah and then just putting them in it putting themselves

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah yeah like it just looks bad she's method acting she's method acting

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_01]: like there were there was what one moment where it looked like she was like trying to become

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_01]: of herself or whatever you know she like forget what happens she like does something stupid and

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_03]: then like starts laughing oh yeah I mean the ball the ball right the golf ball that's it though

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that was not enough to like yeah I'd be like oh I get like it was light you self-aware right yeah

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_01]: like I think that was supposed to show some self-awareness but that is not enough to do so

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_01]: no it was at all I think objectively again like if you were trying to just do a full

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: homage and recreation of these old videos yeah it does work in that sense like if you don't take

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: into account kind of all the racial stuff and get that side of things it works yeah but of course

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: frame it works right but then and there are each reference and stuff like it makes sense

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: um like getting Diddy to actually be in it again like that's crazy that she managed that

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: but yeah just um I don't know I just don't understand how all these label people all

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: these management people kind of let it be the way it is

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: should be laughing like that did he didn't say anything either or Nikki didn't say anything

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_03]: either no Nikki matters they just got their paychecks right exactly yeah I mean it is what it is

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say the video looks sleek it looks like I gave a lot of positive in the beginning I just

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: didn't appreciate the lack of uh creativity in terms of what a bad boy could look like that's

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_03]: why I didn't appreciate it's not all like low riders and hood boys you know so but that I mean

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: should be fair though that is kind of what it was back then right I know but I'm saying like for you

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_03]: to 20 something 2020 whatever right like they didn't modernize beneath me yes read the wheel a little

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_03]: bit honey give it something she danced a little booty off though so get kudos to her for that

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_03]: she did yeah just give me a little bit more than like kind of borderline thinking that you're

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: saying the n-word on set like if you're right and yes you're right so to give her

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: some kudos like yes on camera she is a good performer yeah like she does have a unique look

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_01]: again not even taking into account all the accusations and stuff but like just her she has

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_03]: a unique look yes um which does yes they'll like you to stay away from the black things okay thanks

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah moving on to a lovely lovely person player two we have Leanne yes don't say love

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah that's a love this video is nice it is nice yeah I think it's a cool video I like all the

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: different settings it does feel like just a fashion kind of abstract contemporary film

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll cry which kind of fits her kind of vibe overall anyway I feel like she always was the one

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_01]: going to like your fashion week and stuff like that you know um yeah all kind of industrial

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: settings were cool I like all the lighting switches I like that the dance like the

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: choreography which will get into more but just the whole vibe of the whole thing was very kind of

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_01]: just contemporary yeah which is different from what Little Mix did so it did kind of set her apart

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_01]: from who she was in the group and yeah just some really cool looks like I do still remember

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: some of the looks and stuff like I remember the video more than the song oh which I mean I guess

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: if you say the gold video it's to just kind of get your attention this did yeah yeah oh wow

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_03]: okay yeah no I agree um it's the video definitely feels editorial like scenes from a photo should

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_03]: come to life and I think that's good because again we're in a group with such no I would say

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_03]: polarizing with such strong personalities it's very hard to find your identity um

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_03]: aside from being the black one you know so when you're in a group like that it's

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_03]: it's what do you do when you go solo and I think she's doing the right thing in terms of just

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_03]: coming across as fashionable um that's Rihanna's claim to fame like you may not remember what she

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_03]: sounded like but you remember when she looked like at the Victoria's Secret show you remember

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_03]: where she looked like when she accepted her award at the fashion awards or whatever things

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_03]: like that that's good you want to have at least some type of artistic vision going on in terms

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_03]: of like your visuals um I like that as the video progresses the song progresses the looks

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_03]: got a little bit more quirky like heard in the dance scene um it was like this pose-esque abstract

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_03]: movement as opposed to actually picking up on like on a house type step or something that was

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_03]: a little bit more groovy and jacking the bodies and stuff like that so I appreciate that kind of

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_03]: approach as well because you don't have to throw everything out in the kitchen sink into this

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: whole video and they didn't but as the song progresses she's alone she's not around people

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_03]: she's breaking or she's breaking through the people she's breaking through going to this rooftop and

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_03]: then figuratively and literally taking that dive taking the plunge into the unknown into her

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_03]: solitude that's not a word um but the point is she jumps takes that leap and I like that to be

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_03]: continued ending ending that leads up into the next single which was also a delicious song

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_03]: but yeah I appreciate what was happening with her and it seems like whoever was working with

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_03]: her was like let's not do too much let's just give them something to look at yes let's just do a

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_03]: little moment like bam why is she diving off the roof what is this knee like little things nothing

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_03]: too much to pick apart here uh but it does what it needs to do I appreciate that yeah for sure

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: okay moving on to perry with forget about us what did you think why are you looking at me like

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: because we actually did react to this in our bonus patreon only episodes if you would like to see these

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_01]: join our patreon but uh you know neither of us reacted too positively so have your thoughts

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah what are your thoughts now I guess a few months later I mean the stripped down

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: sexy naturalist meets POV camera look is not my favorite for this video like I get the whole

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: intimate feel of the filming style but the video is un-run remarkable in terms of iconography

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: that's the stinking problem it's not about constantly having um like a moment like you're wearing a

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_03]: schoolgirl outfit you're wearing a red jumpsuit or you're wearing chaps and you have blonde and black

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_03]: hair like Christina the idea is just give somebody something to go oh my god did you see that I

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_03]: need to go back at least one time throughout this video the whole video can suck but if you

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_03]: had that one moment you're like oh my god what did she just do or like oh my god I love that look

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_03]: the red burgundy outfit was kind of cute I love seeing perry buns it was adorable but and then her

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_03]: being all like you know natural love that but beyond that nothing about the video was like

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_03]: mm replay value super high it was kind of like in the c-class of replay value um yeah I just

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_03]: it sucks it totally sucks because like the whole girl next door thing just doesn't fit for me with her

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah and watching old interviews of her and her talking about her anxiety I meant to say that in

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_03]: the song round like she has so much more to say than oh my god I love you don't forget about the

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: relationship we had like it was good even though we're doing you're so much more than that even as

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_03]: like a person the way she carries herself I just eh she looks gorgeous can totally hold her

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_03]: attention but I need something that says I'm Perry hear me roar or something it's just not giving

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: the video wasn't giving either yeah it is interesting because I guess whoever her team is they were like

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: we want you to be like relatable relatable yep yeah and I do wonder if they thought that that

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_01]: simple look of her just like buns out you know was maybe the iconography that you were hoping

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: for I wonder if they thought that that would be enough of an impact she can't be the Camryn Diaz

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_03]: of pop she cannot her voice is not giving that her voice is giving more than that yeah but no I agree

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: like this could be anyone this could be anyone and the random moments of her stretching and doing

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: poses and stuff felt too planned I'm like I don't know it's like if you're gonna just do if

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_01]: you're gonna do a video where she's kind of just like running around the house and then

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: there's also like all this like footage of her and outside and stuff like then just stick with

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: the relatable thing like her doing random poses and stuff just felt odd just did it match

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_01]: another couch I'm on the floor yeah let's stay because either do the whole video like that or

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I don't know like just the choices were just a bit odd because struggle because struggle

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah yeah you gave it what a c for replay value you're like I would give it an s like I have

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_01]: no reason to watch it again there was nothing in it that made me like oh wait what was that

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_01]: scene again like oh wait what did she do there oh you know oh she did something really cool there

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you know like it there's none of that you know I would say I'll leave the other two again I'm

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: just gonna take I'm trying to look at everything very objectively like at least Jesse's video

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: like there was a lot going on yeah there was a lot going on and there are scenes that I remember

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: from it like specific scenes that I remember and same with Leanne their outfits that I remember

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember her kind of walking through all the people like this one the like yeah yeah I remember

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_03]: seeing her butt yeah exactly I know I know I know yeah perry buns hashtag perry bun yeah um yeah no if

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_03]: anything with you I don't dislike jesse for doing what she do I don't think it was smart and didn't

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_03]: look good and I think she's better than that but I remember the video I think she looked good

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_01]: she just yeah all the choices were just not great right so yeah I just she's I would say perry isn't

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the most like she doesn't have the most stage presence you know in little mix she was kind of

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_01]: the voice she wasn't the performer right so I think it's tough um I'm I do wonder if they just

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_01]: felt she couldn't really pull off maybe the pop star like idol kind of thing and so they went the other

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_01]: way or be the relatable be the relatable one maybe they have to lean into their avian features man

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_03]: she looks like an eagle use that make her look fierce you can do it give her something make

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_03]: give her something dark I think I think she's like a little bit darker a little bit more grungier

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_03]: not this I'm beautiful co-commercial no not even tampax pearl you know feminine sanitary napkin

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_01]: commercial vibe she's not yeah I mean with tears you know they did try to do something a bit more

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_03]: like oh yeah videoized visually yeah but she's not either I'm not I feel like it was working

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_03]: or is just doesn't really get the idea of her it's just yeah I am curious what they're gonna do with her

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_01]: because I it has been quite a muted response so far yeah so yeah um well nothing kind of maybe the

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: least passionate I would say out of the four you know what yeah like it just doesn't feel like

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_01]: her heart's like in it yeah that's valid and I feel that I would say from the other three I mean

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Jesse you know she's kind of in purgatory right now but passion wise like I feel the fire a bit more

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_01]: from the other three overall like I don't feel the fire from Perry it's kind of just like oh this will do

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of thing I don't know you know what does val I feel like if they would have leaned more in

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_03]: that tears direction if you're going to go for like this kind of bandish 70s aesthetic how the

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: song's bit yeah that even yours as a song also feels a bit generic as well it's an email it's

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_01]: sung by anyone I don't think it's a bad song it's a nice fine but like again it just doesn't feel

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_03]: tailored to her in any way so no oof that's the problem yeah all right on to our final player

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_03]: is Jade with Angel of my dreams yes okay now you want to talk about tailored this girl had four

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_03]: days to make this video um which is good for her because artist feeling like I want to

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_03]: so kick us off man what are your thoughts about the video that you said that you usually

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_03]: you know you wouldn't probably listen to this alone without the video so tell us your feelings

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_01]: about this video what do you think about it I love this video oh I love I think it's hard not to

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_01]: as a pop fan this is like kind of everything you kind of want you know it's camp it's funny

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_01]: it's weird there's just like so much to analyze but she's also just killing it the whole time and

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: none of it feels like she's trying too hard either yeah yeah I think just as a pop video

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_01]: it's awesome I think as a first solo video for her I love all the references with the childhood

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: footage with X factor um the fact that she's talking about her own experience as well right

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_01]: there's just so much to analyze here like this has so much replay value because there's so much

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_01]: going on yeah but you're kind of just like what does all of this mean what does it mean yeah it

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_01]: reminds me of like what Gaga would do oh my god yeah it feels like paparazzi video I mean that

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_03]: the best way yeah it reminds me of paparazzi video like the chaoticness of that video yeah and

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: everything is like a bit odd uh-huh you don't fully understand what's going on but you're like

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_01]: intrigued yeah totally totally I agree I just very very memorable yeah no I agree that's so funny

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_03]: oh my god you know um this video the the idea of it is very interesting because you

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_03]: you do have those pre-debut moments of her and then you have her busking at first and then

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_03]: superstar hers doing the utmost and then you have this big brolic what I thought was a bodyguard

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_03]: but is the music industry but personified yes it's so scary how big he is and how much power

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_03]: he has and it's like oh my goodness so that whole aesthetic except the whole optic of

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_03]: m music industry guy was crazy I love how camp and pop star superstar Jade is but then she's also

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_03]: really violent it reminded me of showgirls um because like she's like oh my god wow you're so

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_03]: pretty then suddenly it's like uh why is she better than me I don't understand why are you picking this

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_03]: new fancy like broken down version of Jade so like each each iteration of Jade was like a

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_03]: different version of her and each of them were kind of fighting for attention um so I think

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that's really interesting because if that's how the music industry is you're always constantly

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_03]: fighting for dominance and relevance and and it's like roof artists are constantly trying to figure

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_03]: out how to outdo themselves and the next person that might be coming up behind them or like the

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_03]: people that they're competing with it's just oh a terrible little cycle um but yeah the video

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_03]: did a really good job of making it making you uh get the story but not being so preachy

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_03]: so I think that's it has tough to kind of balance sometimes sometimes you need a little bit of

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_03]: weirdness and a little bit of like oh my god what was that like the like the personal assistant

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_03]: like spitting in the cup in the beginning like what was happening I was like gross but

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_03]: that things like that make you go ha ha funny not like oh my god there's a deeper meaning to

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_03]: this no she hates her and that's normal like Harrison they're beating herself up and then

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_03]: you know Angel Jade looking down that's a serious moment but then you have this big

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_03]: brolic dude like he looks like a goof her pricking her finger and signing her name in blood that's

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_03]: really serious but then you sit there and see her like looking like a goof so it that that balance of

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_03]: that seriousness and the jovial humor things and just definitely helps with making the video a

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_03]: little bit more palatable um yeah so yeah I think this one is oof one of the better one uh the

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_01]: best one like yeah I'm just having it it's really hard to to compare again I tried to watch these

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_01]: objectively it's hard to not pick this one as the standout yeah like in every way yeah yeah damn that's

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_01]: crazy yeah you had a vision she had a vision and that's what it takes yep okay so clear winner for

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: round two is there a clear winner for round three let's find out it is about the performance

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and choreography round three I guess we should note that jade hasn't actually performed it live

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_01]: live yet like in front of an audience uh yet so yeah I feel like we can't really

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_03]: put her in the same I had to kind of like mentally disqualify her right yeah exactly because yeah

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_01]: she has obviously the live quote unquote sad version but even then it I mean I don't think like those

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_01]: vocals are are not yeah she has so many takes as well yeah yeah yeah yeah if there's no cell phone

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_01]: footage is not real that's my thing yeah so let's yeah let's disqualify jade yes um for now yes so

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_01]: as of this filming she has not performed the song no let's talk about the other so jesse with boys

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_01]: she's had a few performances she had a gram norton she had jingle bell ball what does you think

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_03]: the jingle performance is infamous it is impa mess uh so infamous I'm making these terrible pauses

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_03]: because that's what happened if you didn't watch it you can watch it go ahead but if you didn't

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_03]: watch it lucky you because I hate whoever just whoever directed that live performance

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_03]: at jingle needs to be fired because why the hell were those pauses so long so unbearable

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_03]: so pregnant I think a bad boy my recipe stop

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_03]: ball stop hard stop and then she said no standing there and there's no sound there's no like

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_03]: sound effects of girls walking in click clap click clap it was trying to give

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Beyonce trying to give Michael that's exactly what it was you know that's exactly what it was

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah but then but the thing about Beyonce giving Michael Jackson who was giving Michael Jackson

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_03]: giving Beyonce trying to give jesse was that there were sound effects to kind of like fully sound

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_03]: effects to give the atmosphere not pause tongue oh my god you a lot of gross noise

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_03]: sorry but that's what it felt like if you felt violated welcome to cctv pops be sure to

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_03]: subscribe like and follow us on all sorts of media um any who would do my point is

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_03]: the pauses were so pregnant it was so awkward that now has become a meme for her so then you

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_03]: miss out on the performance that she actually did give that was pretty damn decent and that's what

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_03]: sucks because she can perform she has put on a good show and she can hold the stage on her own

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_03]: but because of all that terrible weird ass freaking I guess exposition if you want to call it

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_03]: it was just not good and then when she did the grand norton so she lip sank so at this point

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_03]: it's just like she's catching her her as s for what reason for what could have been an awesome

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_03]: promotional period for her where it's like okay I have all this bull crap going on around me

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_03]: watch me you know shut the stuff down but she couldn't shut it down because she just opened

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_03]: another tab of bs and I was like tail this is rough so I mean in terms of her vocals

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_03]: she did what she needed to do in terms of her dancing it was decent in terms of the performance

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_03]: overall I'm so worse I've ever seen in my damn life but it sucks because all of that adds in

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_03]: in case you're like well she did really good in here and in this section was good like the

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_03]: whole thing has to be good and the whole thing wasn't good unfortunately so that's

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_01]: an opinion so sorry Jesse I do like you still yeah okay objectively I think like you kind of

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_01]: said earlier Jesse actually is a good performer yeah even in the little mix she had

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_01]: better stage presence than some of the other members and she's a good dancer

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: so yeah just overall like she has she's a good performer yeah she did fine you know I think with

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: the Graham Norton show the choreography it matches the song you know it's very typical kind of hip

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_01]: hop like intermediate hip hop class right um it's maybe but you know she keeps up with all

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_01]: the boys around her yes so yeah I thought I thought it was fine I think I think if the song was better

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and and everything else like the actual performance itself is was actually not horrible yeah totally

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree just that yeah but yeah I agree the whole kind of the facials with the tongue out

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and all that again it does just kind of feel performative yeah because it to be fair it is

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_01]: tough you know because you know some people are like okay I'm going on stage and I'm a pop star

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and they do put on a character yeah you know they're like I'd be on stage right now and I'm

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_01]: going to look out there and you know do my thing well what's her character well

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think again it's hard to look at the performance completely objectively from the song

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_01]: because the song itself is just already not great and she puts on this character

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_01]: because especially because of the song right oh right right so she's extra trying to be all hood

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and cool and like yeah uh so I don't know it's hard to I don't know I think she was just

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_01]: she was never going to succeed with what she was given to the song fourth but I think regardless

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_01]: of how she's saying this song that there was never going to really work you know

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_03]: what a shame because I like her I like her too I like you know but yeah I think if she had

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I think with especially with the jingle ball one yeah with all the kind of trauma they attempted to

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_01]: add to it and and all that yeah I think if she just had a bit more fun with it as opposed to being

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_01]: like I'm gangsta boo yeah I'm a hood rat yeah I gotta like if she was just like yeah she just

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_01]: had a bit more fun with it and it was just all a bit lighter yeah it did feel like she was taking

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_01]: herself so seriously yeah I think it would have just read a bit better but yeah it's it just didn't

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_03]: work yeah dang it's tough man it's tough again her team I guess I was just listening to her

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know but something's got to give something's got to give hopefully she's

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_03]: learned her lesson in the past couple years sorry I shouldn't laugh but yeah moving on to

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Leigh Ann with don't say love okay now I've watched some acoustic stuff I watched like the true to

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_03]: track performances and vocally she holds her own when she performs the song when she sings

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_03]: a song that's original form she hits the bells sounds clear as a bell I mean at the jingle

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_03]: one of these big larger performances I heard her trying to slide into the note and I understand

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_03]: that you're singing you're trying to get that big note out this is you're a little nervous but

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_03]: but she she clicks in when she locks into the note it's consistent it's stable and I appreciate it

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_03]: like I always worry her like I look at her I watch her like a little bit worried like please

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_03]: please please please do well because again she's always been slated as like the black

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_03]: member of Little Mix like the blah blah blah member of Little Mix so I'm like I don't

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_03]: want her to fail like I literally don't want her to fail not because she's black but also

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_03]: because when you're that member of the group that people are not really looking at and you

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_03]: finally get a chance to show people your stuff you don't want to mess up and I get that you don't

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_03]: want to be that one that's just like I'm trying my hardest and it shows with her it's like I'm trying

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_03]: my hardest can't really tell unless you like stare at her like you see she's nervous but aside

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_03]: from that I appreciate that she's you know even with the acoustic version hitting falsettos and

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_03]: and I watched a cell phone video of her singing don't say love and she hits the notes and

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_03]: she's really warming up to her solo confidence like she's warming up her solo confidence yeah

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_03]: she's warming that up I can see it developing a little bit more and more because she understands

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_03]: now there is no crutch of three other girls yes or two other girls in the latter half of their careers

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and she's speaking to the audience more she's not just singing straight through the song and I

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_03]: think that's very important because she is trying to dance uh so I'm gonna hit some of the

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_03]: emotions but when she stops doing that she interacts with the audience more as she goes

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_03]: come on now you can you know the song and that's important because jade would do that when she

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_03]: performed when they were all in the group so now she has to think about all these elements she

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_03]: has to dance yes to sing she has to hit her notes and that video I saw of her I think it was

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_03]: like a haunted like a halloween themed event she did well she did the dancing she did the

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_03]: singing hit the notes she did the crowd interaction was it like wow levels no but it was a level

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_03]: where I was like you know what give her time she's doing exactly what anyone in her position would do

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_03]: their solo artist you have to learn a group or even weren't in a group before being a solo artist

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_03]: and then performing on stage not in the practice room is tough so kudos to her it's not easy

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_03]: holding a stage on your own and she does so yeah and in the song just I like this song a little bit

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_03]: more because I can hear her singing it she sounds like the record so I'm like that's like are you

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_03]: swall that mp3 you swallow that wave file whatever the cd one of the kids say she ate the cd

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_01]: so I appreciate it what do you think about it so lianna is a good performer but she's not a natural

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_01]: performer I do think she's grown so much I think I mentioned this earlier right like she started

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_01]: belting a lot more she started just really upping her presence through the years of little mix

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_01]: but I just don't think it comes naturally for her like it is something that takes time which

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_01]: is why I think her doing kind of the festivals and all that stuff is really good for her because

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_01]: even watching like the first ever performance of don't say love and then her then doing like rock

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and rio and larger single ball and kind of all those things you could already see the growth

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah like the presence is already growing yeah but I think all those elements that you

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_01]: mentioned earlier like the you got to interact with the audience then you got to join the

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_01]: dance then you got to belt this note like that I think it just isn't a natural thing for her yeah

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_01]: like you can see the brain going sometimes the wheel turning yeah or baby so so I think

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that the confidence grows as just her experience grows I agree with you like she will get better

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think as it is right now first off the song itself it's just not the most dynamic song

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_01]: like well production wise or anything like there's a little bit of drama with the

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_01]: just need something that but I just do something that but like you can do a little bit with that

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_01]: but like overall the song is kind of at the same level pretty much the whole time yeah

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_01]: though even then there's just like not that much you can do with it yeah yeah but I think

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_01]: actually kind of the same comment that I had for Jesse like I think she just seems to loosen up

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit yeah and then that will come with comfort like an experience yeah I agree

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_01]: tells you trying like you can just see it yeah that's valid and it's just yeah it's just not very

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_01]: loose at the moment that's valid salad right there go off yeah vocally you know I think she's

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_01]: she's good I think like I said before she doesn't have the most powerful voice and I actually don't

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: like when she pushes it too much like when she goes into the growling and the yeah you

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_01]: can just feel it like in her throat that she's just trying to be loud yeah louder you know and

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_01]: she's just not naturally that she's just more of a crooner really I don't know if that's right word

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_01]: but you know she's just like a lighter yeah sound singer yeah and I know she probably wants to be

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of a more powerful singer which is where you could kind of feel that she wanted to sing

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_03]: the adlibs with Perry and Jade oh yes yeah it's just a tone it's a tunnel thing yeah it's just

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_01]: not what she's good at like she's fine with it but compared to the other two and it's just not

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_01]: just where it's not her sweet spot and so I think as she also just learns her voice

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_01]: you know and what's good at I think that will help too oh totally yeah but yeah I don't know

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_01]: she's not fully there yet but yeah the potential is there workout the most captivating

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_03]: that yeah yeah I agree I agree you know that brings us to our next person Perry so Perry

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_03]: she was one of the dynamic performers on stage right so with this song

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the jingle performance was not it I think like the way she was styled and like even the cover

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_03]: song the overall set was just not giving oh the capital summertime one yeah okay yeah

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_01]: not jingle I'm so sorry it's confusing it's another ball you know it's somebody's ball yeah okay so

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_03]: and you know the way she was styled that gold dress I was like okay whatever she doesn't give me

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_03]: like Tina Turner style you know sass and a dressed singer but the acoustic performances were good

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's so annoying because I'm like hmm there weren't like so much more amazing where I'm like wow

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I like the song now but she's better in a more natural setting like this especially with

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_03]: this song the song does not give let me shake an address and let me shimmy in my heels it does

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_03]: not give that no matter how they style her well I think because she then performed tears the

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_01]: first time so I think it was more for that right oh yeah for tears yeah yeah yeah it was for tears

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_03]: but yeah I think um the performances that she did acoustically she sounds great she's always

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_03]: sound great she emotes really well but she's also very like you know endearing with the audience

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and things like that so it's like one of those things where I'm like love hate because the

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_03]: song's not like my favorite but she knows how to captivate me so like it's okay she's sitting

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_03]: in this weird little b- minus area in terms of the performance um yeah I think also it's the styling

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_03]: matters too it's like I don't know what it is with the team and the styling and like trying to make

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_03]: her come across as like this like easy going woman but then like dressed in her up in glam it's

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_03]: just not congruent and it shows I mean she sounds consistent I appreciate that but just

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not connecting right now I'm not I'm not sure about you but are you deep like you're

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_03]: were you connecting with her in the live performances more than the video yeah yeah more than the video

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: for sure yeah I agree that version that she put on her official channel of her doing it like unplugged

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of or I guess with the live it was just with the live band oh yeah acoustic yeah yeah um

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: because there was a separate acoustic performance there was the full kind of band performance as

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_01]: well oh uh but yeah she sounds good her background vocalists are great yeah uh it's just a lot

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: more dynamic in the live version of the song and she does have a more natural presence than Leanne does

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say so she can kind of stand there and yeah she does have that charisma about her that

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: does draw you to her maybe not so much in the stadium setting because I also think like her standing

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: the furthest back you possibly could on that giant staircase with a mic stand saying a song

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that no one really knows or really likes that much yeah that was never going to really

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: capture attention I mean to be bare those shows are always tough to capture attention because

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: those people are never really huge fans of any of the artists that are there you know yeah yeah

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_01]: but yeah I thought I agree that that performance was a little lackluster but she sounded great

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: she sounds really really good and she is a natural performer so I do enjoy watching her

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: there's just only so much you can do to save such a bland song right yeah yeah but I think she's

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_01]: great yeah she's great I do think her going the more kind of Kelly Clarkson um pop rock singer song

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_01]: writer kind of thing I can see that for her she just needs to establish a sound oof a bit more okay

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: that's valid that's because if we're doing like an MTV and blood or something where she's literally

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: just sitting there and just singing her face off like I would gladly watch that totally so the

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: songs need to be really good for that and they're not because they also want her to be a pop

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: star so that's why I think there's just like a bit of a divide because I think if they're not too or

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: if she maybe is not as concerned about being like the next Beyonce right yeah yeah and she's happy

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: just kind of doing her thing because she has her fans you know yes we'll go out there and support

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: so if she's good doing like smaller venues and doing the more singer songwriter-y live band

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: thing yeah theaters or you know clubs or whatever yeah I think she could pull that out very well

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think them just trying to push her to be like this like pop star pop star I don't know

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: it just doesn't feel authentic to her see yeah yeah intimacy is her is her bag I think yeah yeah

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I think yeah she definitely has more presence like for the stadiums to suck in the group

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_03]: hmm go off yeah valid salad let's go all right well we do want to talk about jade but um I think

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean yeah the live version of the sad version yeah I mean it's amazing but again it's not like a

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: live live performance you know so we can't count it love bear though I would love to give it to

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: future Jade because you know she's gonna kill it but you just know you know it's gonna be so good

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I won't do that I won't do that that's hysterical for her flowers for the future

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess if I had to choose a winner I got one I think I guess I'll give it to Leanne just

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: because I've seen the improvement the most I give it to Leanne too but even then it's like

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just okay right now oh it's not a strong winner for me yeah you know what I give her

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_03]: my thing is I give her a little b because I can see who she is she's just nervous so yeah I think

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: she wins this round for me for sure though yeah yeah I mean future jade might blow out the water but

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: for now I definitely appreciate Leanne's efforts a little bit more than Jesse and Perry combined

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: same all right so that finishes the round so it's time to choose an overall winner

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: give her overall thoughts I mean it's again it's just really hard not to just give it to jade

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: like again the second I heard that song yeah it was like okay like she's so annoying how good

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_03]: or what something like if she's the next coming of the next big pop stuff yeah yeah I give it to

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Jade too like I said I was kind of mad when I heard the song I was like damn it I'm sad a budget

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah and you know it is interesting I'm very curious to see what all of them are going to do

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: like I guess with Jesse like she's just she needs some time you know crazy is her second single the

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: one that was like kind of valid yeah that was so she should have released especially with all your

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm having mental health issues that would be perfect put the sad stuff out so that when you

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: do combat with something a little bit more powerful it feels like a combat not like a you know a spit

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: in the face of the group that you started you know I'm saying like yeah that's spit slap the face

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I mean I do one I'm gonna be honest I have not kept up with what she's been doing I'm curious if

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: she's just gonna release stuff independently or she might need to because like I could live all my

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: royalties I'm just gonna go away forever I don't I think she'll come back I think she's to lick

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_03]: her wounds a bit though and figure out that she's going to do because the whole pretending to

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_03]: be someone that you're not thing is not working for her yeah but she didn't even really

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: acknowledge it like I don't think she even fully understands what she does that which is the problem

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah she probably doesn't for sure yeah Leanne look I like the EP I still listen to the EP I've

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: taken loads of the songs off of it and put it on loads of playlists so I'm here for her I just

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think she will ever be Beyonce I know I keep obviously no one's Beyonce but you know

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: but in terms of like star quality she's gonna be the breakout global star

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: of Little Mix I don't think that's gonna happen but she does have a lane

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah you know and she seems to be putting a lot of effort in as well yes yes so I think for her

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah definitely rooting for it yeah it's tough um just a second you were saying Jesse yeah I don't

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_03]: think she's gonna be that girl especially if you have she lacks that self-awareness um Leanne I enjoy

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: her what she's been doing has been consistent and that's what I respect what I said it's very consistent

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_03]: you know so yeah I agree with what you're saying like there's good songs um I'm trying to figure

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_03]: out what it would make her go over the edge in terms of like bam I'm here you cannot take me

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_03]: off the spot I don't know you guys see what happens to his sounds direction she go in

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Jade I'm excited to see her album for sure even just the second single she keeps teasing it

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's apparently a bussing girl coming next because she did tease the song at some of her

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: appearances nice so yeah I think in terms of all three of them she's the biggest artist

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_03]: not in terms of like numbers but like in in terms of concept she will

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: she definitely seems to understand yeah the pop star kind of the most yeah yeah yeah so

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they've got to figure out what lane they want to be in and like really go hard on it because

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_03]: jade has definitely claimed the artistic pop lane for sure you know um perry I don't like

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_03]: you said it's a little anemic her efforts I don't know she sounds great but I am very curious

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_03]: to see what she does next because it's like now this first little run has come out and it's

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_03]: been a little lackluster are you going to shift gears or continue to make the same brand of

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: music so we'll see even because the two songs though they don't sound similar at all no I mean

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_03]: like in terms of this like faceless pop like sorry it's faceless no it is I just yeah I'm curious

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: she needs to shift gears she needs to shift gears I'm just looking at the streaming numbers

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: because I'm curious yeah on Spotify because that's really one that gives you like full numbers

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: um I get tears as four million on Spotify um leon a couple of the singles are up a lot like

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: 18 million 17 million nice they love um and my love but her eps yeah kind of in the two-ish

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: two million ish as well okay um and then jade across kind of all the different versions

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: it's it's high but it's interesting because yeah perry actually seems to

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: 23 million forget about us oh interesting maybe the soundscape in the uk is just they want

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: i don't think so because I haven't seen anyone that's like oh my god you know what i mean yeah i mean

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_01]: then again i don't know but yeah with perry just again i think i just don't really feel the passion

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: it's kind of like uh oh well i guess i should go solo what he got and then these are like the

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: random a and r songs down it's just kind of like okay that's what i feel that's just what i feel

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: it's frustrating yeah that's a pr problem that's a pr problem and some marketing thing and

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's an a and r thing yeah time to shift gears man time to shift the gears

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and figure out what the heck you want to do as an artist and not just you know

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_03]: like i like this song it makes me feel don't worry about what makes you feel think about

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_03]: you at your your legacy now so time to lean in that mama all right you got the budget y'all

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_03]: little mix jesse perry leon jade thank you for the awesome battle all right mixers let us know

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: what wins the little mix solo pop off for you also if you are a brit pop girl group stan just

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: know we've done pop offs for the solo debuts of the spice girl members and even girls allowed

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: we're probably gonna do some more of course because you know we love a good girl group solo moment

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: but just let us know let us know what you want to see let us know who won for you who wins for

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