POP 101: A Guide to V...with V!

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[00:01:00] The symbol came up as a record label. A graphics designer found out a logo and found that a few of the fans who would turn up and say it's me.

[00:01:15] We made an online joke that would do it. But we didn't realise how close it is to the Star Trek, like V as well.

[00:01:29] So yeah, for the Balkan, right?

[00:01:31] It never massively took off until it could be taken off.

[00:01:33] No, I think it did it.

[00:01:35] I remember since TV shows, even the top of the pop song we posted the other day, the presenter was like, in here is V.

[00:01:41] Oh, good.

[00:01:42] And I think the logo is really cool that's doing.

[00:01:45] It's stuck. We kept up.

[00:01:47] I'm a fan. I mean, even K-pop groups now, they have like...

[00:01:50] Oh my god. They used their own. They have like different things that they do.

[00:01:53] So you guys were doing it back then. So there you go.

[00:01:55] Yeah, yeah.

[00:01:56] So obviously fans are very excited because you are reuniting for mighty Upla.

[00:02:02] So today was rehearsals. So how is all the planning and everything going?

[00:02:07] We're really good. We've like...

[00:02:10] We've not really sat in properly, sat in some of these songs for such a long time.

[00:02:14] So today it was really about getting together and deciding what I set.

[00:02:17] This is gonna be. So we've got like a half an hour set.

[00:02:19] So six or seven songs.

[00:02:21] So we've just been singing all day trying to see what songs were by.

[00:02:24] I've been on, see what songs the old students want to vibe on and just trying to find somewhere in the middle.

[00:02:29] Yeah, we got stuck with about the four lunch.

[00:02:32] Because we were gonna do a cover version and talk about what we're talking about.

[00:02:35] Like a medley or a new salt or like a throwback salt.

[00:02:38] And that was a bit tricky but now we're just kind of looking each other.

[00:02:41] But we think it's got a good one.

[00:02:43] Yeah.

[00:02:44] Yeah.

[00:02:45] Well, that felt bad.

[00:02:46] It was nice to have you guys back in the studio.

[00:02:48] You know, I know on the album that harmonies are super tight.

[00:02:51] So my expectations have shot up really high.

[00:02:54] So let's take you back to 2003.

[00:02:58] Procedure management known for managing pop punk band busted.

[00:03:03] Hold auditions for a moment.

[00:03:05] What drove you all to audition?

[00:03:07] How was the process and what were some of your individual musical influences?

[00:03:12] Yeah, it's interesting.

[00:03:13] You think that's about time because you know, even ten years prior to that.

[00:03:18] Like in the UK, it's very common for like pop bars to be put together by auditions.

[00:03:23] And used to get as a newspaper called The Stage.

[00:03:26] Which is like a really like a theatre, a musical theatre newspaper.

[00:03:29] And at the back of all these different adverts.

[00:03:32] And so obviously for V they had one in there as well which you know we came to.

[00:03:37] But these sort of started a little bit before that because I mean,

[00:03:39] I've been to the word a bunch of bands before.

[00:03:41] Yeah.

[00:03:42] Kevin and Mark worry like about bands in the new car.

[00:03:46] So I guess you were like the only one who wasn't in the band right?

[00:03:49] Yeah.

[00:03:50] So it's quite common for like, you know, you might have seen one band and that was it.

[00:03:53] You probably have to do like two or three bands before one actually sort of took off.

[00:03:56] And you stripes?

[00:03:57] Yeah exactly.

[00:03:58] So it's me and I knew each other for one or then again we did the auditions.

[00:04:02] And I remember it, we were feeling like it was going to be a good one.

[00:04:06] It's no, sometimes they were just put together by some random dude in the car park.

[00:04:10] But this was out of like professional and there was a record label involved.

[00:04:13] Busted, I think yeah, just taken off.

[00:04:16] And then you know, I don't know if you know the story but like daddy from Look Fly,

[00:04:19] it came to the audition for me and that was how they got into the fly because Tom from Look Fly

[00:04:24] was playing guitars our audition.

[00:04:26] Yeah, I'm like background music people.

[00:04:29] And the audition is the other pretty intense.

[00:04:31] It was like three days we're in a hotel, the West London and it was,

[00:04:35] I think they were trying so many different combinations.

[00:04:38] And everyone was obviously really nervous and wanted to get it.

[00:04:40] But I remember when they put us five together, it just felt right.

[00:04:45] And it was like the chemistry was great and the vocals of Grey and we were I think we're all

[00:04:50] very pretty boys at the time.

[00:04:51] So it was like, yes, this is a great matter.

[00:04:53] And then I remember when we got the call a few weeks later they named it,

[00:04:57] it was like yeah to me Kevin, they are on mark YouTube which like,

[00:05:00] yes, this is going to be sick.

[00:05:02] I would be asking the former who,

[00:05:05] who would you like the band to be?

[00:05:07] And who do you think the band is going to be?

[00:05:09] And I was like, it's the same answer for both.

[00:05:11] And it was the five because yeah, like Aaron said when we lined up as a five and ran it together,

[00:05:15] you just saw that it was there.

[00:05:17] It worked.

[00:05:18] What were some of your influences growing up?

[00:05:20] My was Anastasia.

[00:05:22] Yeah.

[00:05:24] I was like proper boy band head.

[00:05:28] All I wanted to do is think school was being in a boy band.

[00:05:30] Like I was obsessive like take that growing up, then back sheet boys and then sink obviously.

[00:05:35] And like even more specifically like I just love Nick Carter from the back sheet boys.

[00:05:39] I just wanted to be him.

[00:05:40] I like his voice, I like his hair.

[00:05:42] I've always had cool on.

[00:05:44] So yeah, that was the mind for us as a deal you got very very very.

[00:05:47] Yeah, I think that's what we're really surrounded by sort of Aaron Beavley and Jake.

[00:05:51] And not believe it or not where I'm from.

[00:05:53] A regular music and subscribe popular as well.

[00:05:55] So there was actually all the things made really combine them with the ELC traditional boy bands like the back sheet boys and staff who look great Simmons.

[00:06:03] So yeah, my influences were a little bit different.

[00:06:06] But yeah, I mean from my experience audition for the band that I was I was 15 when I went to the first audition.

[00:06:12] And the first time I got in I just turned 16.

[00:06:16] So I was so young.

[00:06:17] I'm about to sign my record deal.

[00:06:19] That's wild.

[00:06:21] Yeah.

[00:06:22] I actually remember getting the call that I got into the band.

[00:06:25] Walking back into school and like just like shaking hands or one of my teachers and saying I'll just see.

[00:06:31] I'm just sitting sometimes soon and just going off to London.

[00:06:34] So for me, it was really a really drastic change in my life because one man I wasn't school and I'm like naturally like to be safe.

[00:06:41] I was living in London with bunch of guys that never really had that many time before so it was a pretty big move for me at that point.

[00:06:49] Yeah.

[00:06:50] Yeah.

[00:06:51] And I think I think my influences are definitely Michael Jackson growing up like my mother would have been playing that.

[00:06:59] But my mom would be playing Madonna in the house and so 80s.

[00:07:03] I used to love 80s music growing up as a key of a you know born in the 80s but so it should have been the 90s should have been my favorite as a teenager, but I always loved the 80s music.

[00:07:13] So I like the pop music from then.

[00:07:14] I think it's way of being able to play it.

[00:07:16] Yeah, it's way of playing that a lot.

[00:07:18] And then obviously I did like 90s as well.

[00:07:20] But then when as I got into singing the boy bands were massive then you know you're the end and seeing batch three boys.

[00:07:27] And it JC Bremens sink he was my inspiration to want to sing like him.

[00:07:33] I used to I'm fantastic singer and could hit all the ranges the big notes and so I tried to model my voice to try and sing how he could.

[00:07:42] Really and and yeah and it's yeah, that's yeah, that's basically my story of why I was influenced on.

[00:07:50] I can see I like it the UK particularly at the time that we were all sort of like wanting to be pop stars.

[00:07:56] I think about being in the boy band was like the way he was in the notes today's.

[00:08:00] And I think it was I think they're kind of traditional bands are kind of on the crime of our point, I think after kind of like a night he's yeah.

[00:08:08] Yeah and there is this like just massive boomers about our bands.

[00:08:11] Yeah, not much of a reason you'd be like normal working class kids like that's to actually be a band.

[00:08:16] Yeah, I just absolutely love singing and need to pick up a car anymore or like be a drummer anything you could actually go there really good signal.

[00:08:23] And the TV shows yeah and things show she that speaking of that so what was the vision for the band how did they pitch that to you?

[00:08:31] Was there a sound that you kind of knew you had or was there a look that they were going for it.

[00:08:37] I didn't know like they it was it was a it was an experiment in total truth that we we they knew that they we want to sing and it want to be like a harmony group.

[00:08:49] But also that was going to be something level of dancing, something level of movement.

[00:08:53] And then when it came to a stop recording for the album we were literally just one day or in a studio and all the next day and someone's wardrobe in it.

[00:09:00] Like in North London as a vocal booth and we just recording so many different styles like some stuff was more R&B,

[00:09:06] somehow they're more like organic or like rocky sound when we just started to develop from there.

[00:09:11] And then I think when we were out with Stargate in Norway, they started to kind of like define I guess they did look when tears are first single they started to kind of define what the sound was but you've heard the album like you mentioned.

[00:09:25] I don't know if you would listen to that album as such and be like there is a sound it's kind of all over the place and we wouldn't disagree with you at all.

[00:09:33] Yeah, and I think I think we know what our true sound is and it is very much that kind of like a real like harmonic like organic sound which doesn't necessarily fully come across to our music like as an album piece.

[00:09:47] I think if we were assigned to such a major record they kind of out of the gun it really was almost like a scatter gun effect.

[00:09:54] It's kind of just like get us to have a load of different producers all with different sounds and she's kind of hope for the best way.

[00:10:00] It's a true though isn't it?

[00:10:02] Oh yeah, the best.

[00:10:03] I really want to see you.

[00:10:04] I really want to see you.

[00:10:05] What should have happened is that we should have been allocated like a group of summer layers that we're able to spend a lot of time listening to about one sound.

[00:10:11] Yeah.

[00:10:12] And we would have been able to do something and pop it to different sounds.

[00:10:14] We would they would bring like the biggest producers like people that I was sort of bad off like work with like actually boys whatever they would come to our house or we'd go to their pseudo and we would like not only like how a couple of songs prepared that we would go

[00:10:28] to all the harmonies ourselves, Mark played the acoustic guitar and we would be just like perform the song as we thought it should be arranged.

[00:10:34] And it you know they were always like whoa you guys like a proper you guys can really really sing if you're any of them.

[00:10:39] And then we're excited that the label didn't really give them a direction I never like a labeling they were like we just found good songs yeah that was it we were like no shit.

[00:10:47] I don't want to get solved but like what's the style or what's like the references what are the briefs like typical basic A and R.

[00:10:54] But at that time I don't know it just made it was a passion project for the person people who just kind of we didn't get that sort of definition of a sound yeah.

[00:11:02] Yeah, I think we were just so happy to be recording songs like for a job that you know you just didn't have any question.

[00:11:09] Yeah, and I don't get right I think we still feel very lucky to have been into the position that we were in and look to what in tears was great.

[00:11:18] And it was started with that was a great sound and we have more songs of that in the locker as well that quite made the album that we listen back and that are great songs as well.

[00:11:31] So they kind of created a sound for us the me the 20s. Yeah, is that people associate that's a sound for me again.

[00:11:40] So you just want to be louder fully flush out well yeah, but your what's our kids right so we're all kids would just signed our deal with sign to a major label with a major management company sort of you put your trust there.

[00:11:51] So you just like if people go on this is the single is the single you're like yeah of course it is because you know what you do and see you kind of just you just go with it.

[00:11:57] It's not to like timely and you start to process things and listen back that you'd be like, you know you don't understand things more.

[00:12:04] So that's the question now we didn't have a clue.

[00:12:08] That's all areas no interesting you say that because yes so we've been listening to this album for the past couple weeks just like non-stop and I actually think it actually is pretty cohesive.

[00:12:18] Yeah, we review a lot. It's not as bad as you think we were like there is kind of this kind of guitar driven yeah,

[00:12:26] or many driven sound that does kind of run through the whole thing so yeah I think you should give yourselves a little more creative with that.

[00:12:34] Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm too being too be fair. I think I think some of the songs are really really good.

[00:12:40] It's just that you know hearing other songs that think quite make the album.

[00:12:45] But everyone's got their own opinion I guess.

[00:12:47] And I think you know we probably are quite passionate about this subject because we didn't decide any song that went on that record as well.

[00:12:54] So we've like discovered all these other songs that we recorded and we forgot about then they get released.

[00:12:59] Well that song is clearly better than the two that some good songs.

[00:13:03] And so it's all hindsight right as Kev says we just sort of ran over the time but like hello they called the album used to up that's like the worst album time I saw.

[00:13:10] Like, I want to say we wanted it to be called right this is a retellative in this score we wanted to be called because V1 also which was like a semi-billionaire video if you could play a reference but yeah they didn't really like it.

[00:13:22] Yeah, I'm a little bit strange here. That was really good.

[00:13:25] Yeah, that was good. I like stuff for a financial like titles all.

[00:13:30] Yeah, because we want to.

[00:13:33] Because we want to do that's a cute okay so you guys audition are going to bring it back real quick because we have questions that the fans want to know also you want to know too.

[00:13:42] So you you all were chosen along with Mark what were the initial months like you all lived together right so what was the dynamic in the group like did you get along or are there any funny memories from that time?

[00:13:53] What was it like?

[00:13:55] Yeah, it was just as you can imagine five young guys getting what an house to get in London and it's pretty fun on and most of us hadn't really lived away from home before so just pick the shit things like cooking, doing your low laundry those sorts of things were just a really big deal wouldn't they?

[00:14:14] Like having to budget like this small amount of money that we got every month that it was difficult but I guess ultimately it was fun because you know we were already passionate about what we were doing and it was just great to get to know each other and obviously you're going to imagine it which is really very important.

[00:14:30] There was some moments where I was about super home sick as well you know it was lots of ups and downs but could probably compare it to like going to university and moving in with the people.

[00:14:38] Yeah, you know yeah the apartment was insane it was like a fire bedroom firefire room like yep in a movie big of tongue-hanks you know we like the kid and then he comes to grow enough and he just like in a part of like pinball machines but no furniture really that was basically like the house.

[00:14:54] Nothing in the comments.

[00:14:56] Nothing in the fridge.

[00:15:02] And you all got along like from the start.

[00:15:04] Yeah, we were I think we were really we really yeah yeah we really look I mean ever we went through faces of different bonds really like with each other but as a general we we've gone on I think a lot better than my

[00:15:19] friends out there we knew a lot of different bands who were together but then and they didn't hang out together we went out together we went out for

[00:15:26] me together we did a lot together in our own time where we knew that you know a lot of other bands would go and do their own thing name and no names but it's them but it would be

[00:15:35] no name.

[00:15:37] No name.

[00:15:39] So yeah I think he thought we got rid of it and after the band finished we kept in touch as well you know it was a tough time.

[00:15:46] The like do you think the things that we argued over with the same things you would argue with the shiblins about you know I remember the days and then so it was just a kind of stuff you don't have to be

[00:15:58] a brother and sister's about like never anything really still.

[00:16:01] I didn't think it was ever anything serious.

[00:16:03] The adding when really argued about was that no it's quite like define roles in the band as well like we're a bit like the spice styles in that sense no I was like the boring stress had one that wanted us

[00:16:12] to practice more no Leo was like the guy wanted to do the real the real the rift the runs but you know missing card if I had quite a defined roles in my role we wouldn't get on that.

[00:16:24] It's my try to mean Kevin one very close actually in that first kind of copy is the band yeah and now we're best friends.

[00:16:32] Yeah they're like yeah really close now.

[00:16:36] Yeah we're not bad about the beach so like for me it was kind of like what mood I thought I'd be with dictate with bedroom I went into each night yeah so if my fancy kind of chill it

[00:16:47] out and having a chat I would go into care room do you remember yeah and if I wanted to play a few games I would go into Andrew and I could play that

[00:16:53] music I go and see our answer it was quite nice really got me well very very different than in a way that made it.

[00:17:02] I love to hear because you know I've heard some stories too I haven't been the girl group I always wanted to be in one but I work with people

[00:17:09] and like watching them like what you're fighting about so I have on a break up oh my god so it's nice here there wasn't like content in like crazy.

[00:17:18] I love that. I don't know if you've had any word or anything like that.

[00:17:21] That's a good deal.

[00:17:24] Yeah they probably like when you were drawing very well.

[00:17:29] Well okay well then not you're all living together and you're fighting your flow prior to releasing your first single you got

[00:17:36] to support Busted's arena tour with Nick fly which is a major for like a new like a no name band you know so how was that experience at the time?

[00:17:45] It was amazing on it yeah that's absolutely well first our first show was Dublin right the point used to call the point in Dublin so I think 10,000 people are what not so for that to be your first live show like you know it is a 10,000 was just

[00:17:59] a bonkers and it was that really and because yeah we have we had our own tour bus as well which for a new band was pretty wild.

[00:18:09] Yeah what else you doing so just go from yeah tour bus to hotel to venue and just go on a whole tour at that and what a great way to like start off your kind of practice as a band like Zing and Live let that in the kind of

[00:18:22] diamond. Yeah absolutely fantastic. Over the course of the year we did the first bus to the arena tour then we sported McFly on their theater tour and then we sported Busted again.

[00:18:35] Yeah yeah it's anywhere they were we were that willed out right with different opinions of how successful that was but like it sounds like being on a big stage and getting more and

[00:18:45] full and further out of people every night like it was amazing.

[00:18:48] Oh I think we performed pretty much like every major venue in the UK in Ireland which was a great start.

[00:18:54] It was a great start I'm like really glad I was there.

[00:18:57] Going on TV and didn't seem as though it didn't come.

[00:19:00] Yeah, from there running.

[00:19:02] Yeah.

[00:19:03] So yeah that was amazing. I was just staying in like the back we were in the best hotels everywhere that would be the best hotel.

[00:19:07] And getting to other countries like getting there like travel all up and down the whole country is brilliant.

[00:19:12] even like right down to like meeting like all the the rig is and the people who

[00:19:16] shout at the stage and like hanging out with them before like going on and

[00:19:20] stuff like that. Just do just do just a great vibe on it.

[00:19:23] Definitely.

[00:19:24] Nice. That's definitely a good crash course in just like stage performance and

[00:19:28] just a thing that for sure.

[00:19:30] All right. So we're now your first single which you've already talked a little

[00:19:34] bit about blood sweat and tears released in May 2004 and it hit number six in

[00:19:39] the UK singles chart.

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[00:20:24] You mentioned earlier that it was kind of just told to you that it would be

[00:20:27] the first single. So did you like it at the time?

[00:20:30] How do you remember the studio session and what do you think of it now like

[00:20:35] looking back on it?

[00:20:36] I think at the time I thought it was great.

[00:20:39] It had an engine and it's and yeah and I think the thing that we

[00:20:46] but it kind of misleves in a way because we were signed obviously to

[00:20:51] prestige and with the universal record which and the two bands with us

[00:20:56] were busted and were flying at this we had the same management same record label

[00:21:01] that are number ones and I think but fly how do I can number one and so we were like

[00:21:05] we're on amazing this amazing journey and you know we're going to do really great.

[00:21:09] We're going again that we could get a number one two each so you know and then

[00:21:12] obviously when we went to number six we were like uh but you know that's amazing

[00:21:17] like we were still so happy that we got an number six.

[00:21:21] It did sort of bit like a failure because they were like yeah it got a beat top five

[00:21:24] it's got a beat top five.

[00:21:24] Yeah it's that sort of thing so it's um so yeah so blood sweat and tears

[00:21:29] it was a brilliant song and I don't think it was the song that

[00:21:33] was the reason that we got to him to say I think it was that we were a boy band battling

[00:21:38] again it's the new boy band with guitars yeah um so yeah but the experience of recording

[00:21:44] in blood sweat and tears it was without a stargate as we were talking about earlier.

[00:21:49] It was that was fantastic you know they're so professional and the way that they mean

[00:21:53] the recording equipment is you know that time was the best in the world and

[00:21:59] yeah and recorded experience was fantastic.

[00:22:01] Hmm a nice sky as well yeah and it was like our first time I think traveling is a

[00:22:05] fact and the broad as well we went over to Norway and spent some time like there

[00:22:09] and a couple of occasions and again just getting on the plane and like just

[00:22:13] coming to record that that was fun to ask of wasn't it yeah.

[00:22:16] To me that blood sweat and tears I don't remember recording it and I don't remember

[00:22:19] being that excited about that at B-line but it kind of all felt the most excited as

[00:22:24] what we went to my I mean to do the music video just hearing that like you know

[00:22:28] we're all playing bad.

[00:22:31] I cried I tears my eyes.

[00:22:32] I was like oh yeah you made it this is like pop star title and I watched the other guys

[00:22:36] like perform to camera and I looked back at that video we just recently uploaded it to B-bo

[00:22:40] by Lee in like high quality and it's a great video like it's so fun like it's got good energy

[00:22:46] and I think it really matches the um the song and obviously I was a great spirit

[00:22:51] yeah like that's that's what we do for a job we're gonna go to Miami we're gonna spend a day

[00:22:55] in their zone singing along to our song like just vibe and mind blowing yeah just total vibes

[00:23:02] like what are we what an experience to have like that's the first single new first video

[00:23:06] is in Miami it's just yeah it's incredible you're like 19 years old yeah yeah you guys look so high

[00:23:12] oh you show me the video couple weeks I was like who's that who's that I'm way

[00:23:20] brand I love it what who is the hottest okay okay which one do you point it out

[00:23:28] okay oh wait hang on really good the one that's not in the band anymore no actually

[00:23:37] you know Chris Chris me you know Chris you say because I feel like pressure now because okay

[00:23:41] choose my go she was really into the dimples yeah yes Anthony oh wait hang on wait hang on but

[00:23:50] then I saw this and I was like oh my god it was the pun one so

[00:23:54] and I said look at them it's called a thin sandwich I don't have to paint

[00:23:57] Paul can all those those you know so you're all very cute very very cute

[00:24:03] I'm not you now but you know a little way bandhar was racing I was like oh my god

[00:24:09] okay so taking you back more professional now you mentioned the changing pop landscape so yeah

[00:24:16] a lot of the British pop groups were actually splitting up at that time and it was changing to a more

[00:24:23] just kind of pop rock sound like even here in the US like Katy Perry and Kelly Clarkson and that

[00:24:28] kind of just like very like more pop rock driven kind of sound what's happening so were you

[00:24:34] feeling that at the time that your peers were starting to change and how do you look back on

[00:24:39] that time and music because the fans wasn't I think when when you start to notice it I think

[00:24:46] we said earlier so busted came out big massive success but there was still like a boy band right

[00:24:51] but I'll see they're kind of playing instruments and so you could see the like the fans like

[00:24:56] this the the fashion star to change the fans and they were starting to pick with clungia

[00:25:01] and the people colors in the hair and jewelry and then obviously then look fly kind of came out

[00:25:05] as a secondary just kind of let back up that new kind of formula of like the new kind of male band

[00:25:11] with instruments so I think like I think they were like start to redefine that new kind of

[00:25:18] fira and that kind of all singing all dance and boy band was just fading away

[00:25:23] was that when we were around there were many other boy bands right there were beside triple A

[00:25:28] bit so it was probably a blow to more and then just yeah they couldn't get any of them along

[00:25:33] and I think you know the last boy band that broke was like blue blue with with huge right

[00:25:38] yeah this blue there wasn't that kind of and I think boy bands like in traditional kind of all

[00:25:43] single dark single plays very like cyclah like it goes around and then it's like they're the massive

[00:25:48] boy bands of the time and then there's a couple more and they do okay and then it was like that's

[00:25:52] not for over it but then it's kind of like this gap and we're sort of in that gap now right I

[00:25:55] don't have beats yes but that spells it did a perfect big k-pop cessation but in terms like

[00:26:00] an American British West Deloitte band like there is one of them in it I don't know like those

[00:26:04] are labels now like trying to get them together because I could feel that when one does

[00:26:09] basically come along you know pop off again right well I don't think he really kicked off and sort of

[00:26:14] like a direction yeah very less during this project yeah yeah but you're like on a big scale

[00:26:20] it was like you know it was a lot of like but that was still what decades later yeah I'm

[00:26:24] like you get to like think it took that long read yeah kind of boy band to come back into the

[00:26:27] the forefront you know yeah it's interesting do you think you're ever going to have a boy band

[00:26:31] that will do like a full blow and like dance break dancer to you anyway yeah I think

[00:26:36] yeah yeah because just so the paper was too so well they're gonna swim like that I'll show

[00:26:42] it definitely good homes yeah there actually is a really big k-pop label that is forming a British

[00:26:48] boy band so that's coming up so yeah we'll see how that goes yeah please do baby harmonies please do

[00:26:59] do all for that honey

[00:27:05] let's y'all are getting it in the can you feel it video but I'll

[00:27:09] just speaking of which your second single which pt that number five on the UK singles chart

[00:27:13] was a double a side of zino mania's produce hip to hip and the cover of the jack and song can you

[00:27:18] feel it which also appeared in the disco mania compilation which included contributions from

[00:27:23] other groups like girls allowed hip hip hip to hip cheek to cheek without you girls

[00:27:39] hip hip to hip cheek to cheek I'm feeling good inside

[00:27:56] let's start with hit the hip what a bob I love it I love it so much what are your thoughts on this

[00:28:02] one and are there any fun memories about the song recording or even the music video process

[00:28:06] I was stunned to be honest I'm really really stupid because I just thought what is this

[00:28:13] I just didn't get it I didn't get it but it is fun it is fun you know but it's I don't think

[00:28:22] again going back to kind of like you know a true reflection of our sound I don't think it it

[00:28:27] is that it took me a while to get used to it but what I will say is like when you're

[00:28:32] on stage reactions great and like people all seem to kind of like enjoy dance into it and move

[00:28:37] into it and stuff but as a song is soft it's not my favorite I've got it it hasn't been like a

[00:28:42] cult following it and the music video was amazing that we shot down to music video in Brazil

[00:28:47] um so that was just obviously awesome and you know a really amazing experience but it's

[00:28:52] further song recording it's not my favorite but I can't wait you guys think production wise it's

[00:28:56] actually held up quite well yeah in terms of like what zino mania did with that yeah yeah it's funny

[00:29:01] like zino mania was huge right girls all that out in sugar based and we were kind of like probably

[00:29:05] a bit of a shag we were kind of a fucker we had six other main bids but I think it's just a decent so

[00:29:11] kind of feeling it's the one and so bitch dreams like we did such a thing about half an hour

[00:29:15] because we knew that we had this TV show coming up then then they decided to put it out and we

[00:29:20] were we today was given a anxiety that song is as bogus like what is it's a hard song to sing

[00:29:29] more vocally and like yeah it's actually just right up then it's like there's nowhere to breathe

[00:29:34] and it's constant it's can you be the can you be the like it's a lot yeah it's actually maddened

[00:29:39] that um we could have had a top three with those two songs but there was like a what was the

[00:29:44] yes no no it was so sad it was our song then I don't know if it's can really swear a little bit

[00:29:49] she does or not oh so but that fuck over that said it's not a shit naven and the girl virgin was

[00:29:56] out actually they were number one and two so it's like a preach like thing that we released that

[00:30:01] week they were holding one and two for like 16 weeks or something it was mental and so it's up

[00:30:07] you could have had a top three there and was at least the police took my gift for this

[00:30:11] in there as well let me see what's that was it please was number three yeah sure what's he's

[00:30:15] going to be a shake well was it do you see one number did we get to do you say five five it shows

[00:30:20] and four it was one I got it was three we could have added yeah if it wasn't for that at the

[00:30:27] Amon Son but yeah it's uh but yeah the video to hit hit was amazing again we went to

[00:30:33] we got to go to Rio de Janeiro for that as well it's you know it's the site where we were was

[00:30:39] was amazing and the models all around us was crazy I mean it was a good would you video

[00:30:45] they were spending money on us clearly about the ads but we said so far right yeah so you can see

[00:30:49] right there like this has to be number one worldwide or you are out yeah if you ever watch

[00:30:55] from the disconmania moments then I can see that on YouTube where we did kind of feel it yeah that's

[00:30:59] not there's like a lower quality version up yeah yeah yeah probably I'm uploaded it yeah yeah that was

[00:31:05] um that was a funny guy like even like Donna Samba like we were on stage Donna Samba yeah at

[00:31:10] the time I just like being silly and I think Donna Samba like from disco legend what a legend

[00:31:15] made and like she remember because she was we we were watching her because she kept doing take

[00:31:20] take that potato because she was like no I need to perfect it I need to go again and I think

[00:31:24] nearly every other artist on that stage in fact every artist was miming she was the only person

[00:31:29] to sing live yeah um and like yeah the perfectionism what I legend yeah the video is actually really fun

[00:31:37] too you all get to kind of put on a little character uh what are some memories from that

[00:31:42] with my favorite videos in the artist because I feel like it was a video that really showed our

[00:31:46] two person who was we were able to act a little bit and get dressed up and be these sort of

[00:31:50] characters for the day but be careful of say cuz I need an uh well but uh

[00:31:56] two of my two reasons well first of all I just didn't really want to be a nice screen man I just

[00:32:01] felt like he had that kind of like creepy undertone do you know what I mean I thought why am I

[00:32:06] got wearing that outfit and that's cheap and hot and they see them too me that was the

[00:32:09] advantage of it that was the first thing first thing and the second thing was like my solo shots were

[00:32:15] end of the day so my actual closer shots was actually shot at night and lit not that it looks

[00:32:20] like it and so I was like well so I'm literally like hanging about now for like this whole time just

[00:32:25] eating ice cream and I need to have that don't she I've got the scene where like I did the bum

[00:32:31] on the thing and like the panic I have a little bit I did actually a little bit no she I thought it

[00:32:35] was good it's good that it had so many darksers that was like a theme of Kanye's feel it whenever we

[00:32:38] could fall in that week have like hundreds of darksers I always get the best feedback from

[00:32:43] my people I know about that music video yeah I suppose I do a bit of acting in it so releasing that

[00:32:47] yeah thank you yeah that how you got you yeah we also did pay for that music video ourselves

[00:32:53] just just the interesting fact to you yeah yeah it's my start weird to be world about the money

[00:32:59] and stuff but there's never supposed to be a single hit was ready to go as the single then we

[00:33:04] performed the own that TV show and the feedback was just so good that the label were like you

[00:33:09] guys should totally release this as a double A side and then they were like oh we haven't got

[00:33:14] budget for you for a video because we spent it all on in real and I think I managed to be like well

[00:33:21] always can pay for it yeah this still happens now unfortunately a lot of the artists I worked with

[00:33:29] like they had to at least pay partially for some of their own music videos so yeah that's

[00:33:34] that's unfortunate but it's a great video so money will spend there yeah I just do want to ask

[00:33:41] though about choreography because from watching some of your performances there wasn't too much

[00:33:45] choreography but then you actually recently put up some rehearsal footage of breakaway and

[00:33:50] some other tracks and there's actually like really decent and hard choreography in there what was the

[00:33:56] thought behind the performance style and what you were going for because we had one direction

[00:34:01] much later on that just kind of jumped around that they never did any choreography so yeah what was

[00:34:06] the performance style that that you were going for and was there any influence there was that

[00:34:10] just you guys deciding that no we had an amazing choreographer who's like a very different order

[00:34:15] of a still she's having Kate Primitz and she has a dance company called Zodation who did

[00:34:20] this amazing show is actually an American at the moment one of their shows to Kate was our choreographer

[00:34:25] she came on right at the start and really fucking tried our best of us to be we were the most

[00:34:30] talented dancers I think Kevin and that actually are good really on a lot probably not so much

[00:34:37] so she sort of like tried her best and and I think yeah there was dancing what we did the

[00:34:42] buster the fly tours like we did breakaway and oh that's good I'm here it is they were dancing

[00:34:46] then but yeah you're right in the singles and the TV performances maybe not so much but

[00:34:52] we did a lot though my didn't know they said it's the dark slabs of this ball the time like I think

[00:34:57] they probably wanted to work thing then it literally almost does it just to be like an insane kid

[00:35:01] yeah but you can't really know you can do so much so they would give us money to go down to

[00:35:06] the pineapple dark studios in central London and we would go to the dark studio and get the

[00:35:11] receptionist to print out receipts saying that we don't class and then we would just go to the

[00:35:16] cinema or something we wouldn't not passionate about singing yeah yeah you like that I do I used to

[00:35:23] love it to Kevin was um I mean you were you were great at the elegant stuff as well like you know

[00:35:31] we've got center we're doing plays across the floor like you know how but I could never do that

[00:35:36] I can stick my hand out there really good bass but I'm never going to be able to you know

[00:35:42] do what you did so I sat for all that day and I was like I'm so out my debt why are we at this

[00:35:47] traffic hall at the time yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it was funny like you know it was it was great

[00:35:51] as an experience and we did try but it's um yeah yeah boy again we were just young like

[00:35:57] where we're at the time and it's but yeah we were with it's a dance sort of like you know we

[00:36:02] weren't against it at all you know we were happy yeah that's okay it was was amazing yes by the way

[00:36:08] she made the routines made probably made us look better dancers than we were and they did

[00:36:13] it's um but yeah made us feel comfortable and and there's a few songs like we're blue,

[00:36:17] sweat and tears where it's more just organized chaos really isn't it so we are places to I know

[00:36:23] I'm gonna go over there you know it's got over there but it looks like it's random but you know so

[00:36:28] it's um but then there are dance routines that she definitely tested us and pushed us to a

[00:36:33] limits and uh but yeah never opposed to doing that again yes love a good dance moment just saying

[00:36:40] yeah yeah well just to slow it down a bit in October 2004 you released your third single you

[00:36:46] stood up which hit number 12 on the UK singles chart

[00:36:51] and you also have the iconic performance on top of the pop where you all stood in the rain

[00:37:18] and ultimate boy band move you know every boy band he's a rain moment so you recently

[00:37:23] stared that the rain machine was actually there for Brandy where she wasn't having it so you

[00:37:28] used it instead so what were your thoughts on the song and all the promo you did for that track

[00:37:32] and the rain I mean yeah we first of all how random is that performance like let's just

[00:37:41] could do a form in the rain yeah Brandy was full I think she had affidies yeah Brandy I think

[00:37:46] that was her single at the time and she she just she just didn't walk up I don't think right she

[00:37:51] cancelled the member she wasn't there she didn't want to get anywhere no she still like she didn't

[00:37:55] be here she did the performance on it but she didn't want the rain she didn't want to get her where

[00:37:59] so we had it and so yeah so we did a rehearsal early in the day first and when we did the rehearsal

[00:38:04] the water was cold and like three things cold that's true right you don't know when it comes to doing

[00:38:11] the yeah because pop up was his life right take your breath away cold so they're like don't worry

[00:38:15] when you come to do like the life the performance later it's not going to be cold so you know all

[00:38:18] going to be like freaking out but I mean what can you say like it's the ultimate boy band experience

[00:38:24] isn't it singing in the rear on TV right yeah I think it's amazing for me so yeah actually the other day

[00:38:30] when we uploaded another Leon was like find an act camera every time he did that I didn't want to

[00:38:35] with Kevin's like camera like it's just

[00:38:43] well the ball courts are not live microphone and that rain the combo

[00:38:50] yeah people don't need to know it's okay yeah you know we were still living

[00:38:55] I mean used to love it it was it was pretty crazy I feel

[00:38:59] I love the song but I just feel like it got lost by that point at that time we just got lost in

[00:39:05] the Christmas market I guess because it was so close Christmas when it got released and we're

[00:39:10] competing with all the big ones everyone releases at Christmas their album and everything and our

[00:39:15] album was getting released off the back of that single as well and and so yeah so it was a bit of

[00:39:22] a tough pill to swallow because I think the song was really like the song I really like singing it

[00:39:27] personally and it's yeah but then the video sheet for that was was good fun as well we would

[00:39:33] with interiors laughing it would remember having to get changed into that that changing room

[00:39:38] I couldn't see you know it's uh but yeah we had a good we had a good laugh with that as well so it's

[00:39:43] um see yeah it is a great song and of course we do have to give a shout out Anthony your vocals are so

[00:39:49] good oh you can stand up to JC I think uh also a lot of fans mentioned that they're actually our solo

[00:39:56] versions of used it up that were recorded and they would love that on streaming so just wanted to

[00:40:01] point that out for everybody I think you got my opinion no you can have all this do not have a mind

[00:40:12] he was one of those two things stay I'm see you know what are those like tricks back in the day

[00:40:17] if trying to get fans to buy more copies like they made like another CD with like a distal

[00:40:21] versions but I don't mean the additional version but either mixed like when it came we uploaded some of

[00:40:26] the old B-sides recently that kind of founded storage so like streaming platforms and the label were

[00:40:32] like oh do you want the solo versions up and I listened to them and I was like you can't do that

[00:40:36] to us no they sound shit so yeah they're gone now sorry all good good to know uh so let's get

[00:40:43] to the album also called Yucida which was also released in October and it charted at number 86 on

[00:40:48] the UK album chart and so moving back through the album now what are some of your favorite tracks

[00:40:54] your least favorite tracks um and of course we want to note you do have some writing credits as well

[00:40:59] on the tracks hold me and fools so yeah talk us through it yeah yeah I think one of my favorite

[00:41:09] songs that never got released off the album is um stop the tears I love that I love that song

[00:41:14] I think it's a really nice song and it's um and yeah it's uh trying to think of what songs I've

[00:41:19] done like on that I think there's probably the song that I'd least like on the album is angel yeah

[00:41:25] and you just start feeling that I'm too the bad song but I don't just again I don't think it was

[00:41:32] right for us I don't know yeah I think there were I think there were better songs

[00:41:37] that could have took its place in my opinion and I don't mind something that's not

[00:41:41] that it is it makes it so we can start with Steve Anderson why not I don't think I'm

[00:41:45] supposed to see if he'd love to go yeah yeah and Tim would cut yeah yeah Tim would cut like that as

[00:41:51] well what was the question so what songs do you like what songs do they like yeah just any specific

[00:41:56] memories about the album as a whole I just thought it's looking back on it yeah I think

[00:42:01] there aren't work as well that was that was a quote it sounds like we've complained here but it's a bit

[00:42:07] yeah it's yeah there was something with that one though that we I think I think there was a lot

[00:42:12] of hard work to went into it but like even there was a mesh match of songs I mean worked really hard

[00:42:17] like so I would probably say like a good six months like two years like all we did was like

[00:42:23] drive places and record times like yeah from morning to night and like we would be sometimes you

[00:42:28] know doing like really on days work in the studio and I think like for me like that that

[00:42:36] you're a speck of a boy thinking the album but the experience of like just being in a studio every

[00:42:41] day again to work with these great producers and you know that's the takeaway for me that was

[00:42:47] the most amazing but I was just spending time doing that for a job you know so I kind of feel like

[00:42:53] when I look at when I think back on the album I just think it was back in time it was like just

[00:42:56] being a band and yeah yeah yeah spending our days and studios more so than by setting the songs

[00:43:01] really you know for me personally it's funny because when you just run this it would

[00:43:07] could be funny to you yeah I'd be very happy to say that you kind of you can you have

[00:43:11] to think finally of the experience rather than like what we were to change about the record

[00:43:15] or stuff like that but like where you just caught out the chart position there and like we would

[00:43:18] like yeah it was quite that's quite triggering because I'm not in a bad one because obviously

[00:43:22] we're talking about it but like it when the jam multi flops like fucking out it was like the most

[00:43:29] like traumatic thing I've ever been for my night yeah because certainly the dream is over right like

[00:43:34] I'm not more than it's over but we know that is not a good chart position and even like the guy

[00:43:38] from the label came down like the week before I was like you know the arm is it shine right we were

[00:43:42] like well I think then we recorded this for two out two years I mean learning it and doing

[00:43:45] signing but we just got in charge if like yeah like I guess they didn't have any pre-orders or whatever

[00:43:49] but like so when it when it tanks and then you know you kind of be never to pull this coming right

[00:43:55] and I think yet the album came up before Christmas and then we came back off the Christmas and it was

[00:43:58] like yeah you the label out you did you've been dropped it now and I think now it's like I was like

[00:44:03] such a shitty time so yeah I mean talk about having the rug pull to them to be underneath yet

[00:44:09] they have probably the best way to describe it and you're always that I don't know you can't

[00:44:13] prepare yourself for it even though before you're always being made aware that this has to be

[00:44:19] everything this has to be a smash or it's nothing so we well aware that that's the situation

[00:44:25] no middle ground so obviously when you get a third single going number 12 that's going to land

[00:44:28] at the album you're already starting to think like oh shit oh my I think when I said a single

[00:44:32] going in at number six I felt like that was the beginning of the end if I'm being stole

[00:44:37] beyond it's just because everyone predicted if we were going to be number one and I think yeah

[00:44:42] that's that was the chat wasn't it I think at one point like in the middle each we were like not

[00:44:46] a million miles away from number one the sales difference was really slight I believe between those

[00:44:51] those for the moment we had in number six you would just see it in like the label spaces people

[00:44:56] were speaking to manually and stuff that in the horizon which is a failure just because I was

[00:45:01] had gone into it so I kind of felt like like the like the downfall was always happening

[00:45:08] but you never were quite doing what we should know nothing can prepare you when that moment

[00:45:12] actually comes like nothing can prepare you especially when you're like young there's no way

[00:45:17] of explaining that or understanding that or even knowing how to deal with that that's just something

[00:45:22] and I take time by often say this so I think it is if we were a bit older we'd have like regular

[00:45:28] jobs before we were pop stars I think you probably would have thought wow that was a good bit of

[00:45:33] certain you know and you would have like written it out a bit more that was cool it didn't look out

[00:45:37] but we didn't like this was our first job like this is the Iron Treads the other world so

[00:45:43] you just think he's gonna last forever at that point yeah that's the plan right yeah that's what

[00:45:47] we all good wanted and that was the dream you know in that situation where you sit at home watch

[00:45:53] and boy vans on top of pop spin like that's what I want it to do then you get to do that yourself

[00:45:57] so you got that cheesy thing like your dream becoming true is it's so powerful so you're in that

[00:46:02] so you can't see past that like this is this is your life now and so I think it took me like a good

[00:46:08] 10 years to like to get over wow yeah you like I say you have your dream with the sunny don and

[00:46:14] you got to go back to your hometown and your embarrassed because you were the kid on tv or week go

[00:46:18] everyone thinks you've got a million good in your pocket because that's what they think you're famous

[00:46:21] because you have money you've got nothing and you're embarrassed and it feels sheer you don't

[00:46:26] know what to do next and you like sat by the phone waiting for someone to call you like at the

[00:46:29] works experience and now I look back on feet with such fondness so like I sort of doing this right

[00:46:34] now right getting back together and I would find that hope for this a lot but like it was very like

[00:46:38] gentle yeah it was cool it was beautiful and we were sitting with my early around the

[00:46:44] the the dining table which like so when we decided to like do mighty hooplaire and in the courts

[00:46:50] and new songs or whatever it is that we're doing currently it's funny because I was there like

[00:46:55] I was always feeling like a little bit like it felt so distinct it was such a long time ago

[00:46:59] and although there's so much joy in being like there's definitely what Aaron was saying like the

[00:47:04] aftermath that definitely a lot of like pain that came with enough so it was almost a bit like oh whoa

[00:47:10] okay like is it is it and so it's an interesting journey really is so thanks a bit of positions

[00:47:23] can be tough like I yeah I used to work at a record label and like we would it was very

[00:47:28] quick to drop artists actually and it was never done like in a very nice way

[00:47:33] and so you did officially kind of split in 2005 with a letter to your fans

[00:47:40] and then you actually then reunited briefly in 2018 you established the because of you want to

[00:47:45] Facebook group and then you did have the brand new song medicine as well

[00:48:16] yeah medicine it's interesting right because as Leon and I said like we've always kept in such

[00:48:22] always out of what's that group and you know we go just chat with weddings, Thursdays we would

[00:48:26] be being kept with like both of the Londoners would see each other all the time but I felt like

[00:48:32] yeah when did we do that 2015 for me personally I was like there's unfinished business here and I

[00:48:38] just wanted being the studio with the guys and I kind of carried a work because the music industry

[00:48:42] since so I was like I can get to the studio, I can get a producer, I can get the guy to video it

[00:48:46] let's just come together with no agenda I found a really nice song it was written recorded by

[00:48:52] an artist with JC Stewart who I knew and he kindly said yeah I love you go to record what you

[00:48:56] want to record the song you get us the backing track so it was just purely just a fun but really

[00:49:02] kind of like I guess he'll a few Williams to me personally I don't want it to be like in the

[00:49:06] studio with the guy and just do one last song we are a good band what we went for is fucking shit

[00:49:12] but like we can sing we've got a great bond and it's just a sweet it's sweet of day wasn't it yeah

[00:49:17] we just picked around from most of the days laughing and this being silly and then you know we've

[00:49:21] got oh god we got record this song and we just yeah laid down the vocals in a cup of vows it was so

[00:49:25] easy because we were just it started we were just gonna hang out we were just getting a day in the

[00:49:29] day for all five of us just to hang out we're gonna meet in London just hang up that was it right

[00:49:33] and then you were like what if we hung out in it a studio and then we're like yeah we could do that

[00:49:37] and then the song came in and then just kind of turned into it so it's all happened quite naturally

[00:49:40] yeah it was pretty magical yeah I think it came out really nice yeah it is

[00:49:45] and worked that really nicely for sure because now you have mighty kupa in June 2024

[00:49:50] and we're looking really forward to it so how did the opportunity itself come about because

[00:49:54] you guys seem like you were ready but how did the opportunity come and of course we have to

[00:49:58] mention that mark now lives in Australia is that why he's not part of this situation at the moment

[00:50:04] yeah exactly that's what it is so basically mighty hoopla and well first of all might you put

[00:50:10] all the two most joyous days of the entire year that is just a fact that's true right

[00:50:17] Leon and and he haven't been to mighty hoopla before I don't think me and Aaron have ever missed

[00:50:21] a mighty hoopla throughout all the years and getting who runs mighty hoopla's a friend of ours as

[00:50:26] well and so basically we got together to sing at Aaron's Fortyth birthday in the summer

[00:50:32] and and it just kind of went from there lots of people at Aaron's birthday people saw a singing

[00:50:37] and I was like oh my god yeah you guys still have it sort of like cool and then there was just

[00:50:42] a few little rumblings he gave in there then came as like you need to do hoopla so we were like

[00:50:46] how could we say no and and of course the first thing we did was message mark to be like we've

[00:50:52] offered to do mighty hoopla can you do it and Australia's just miles away isn't it and so I just don't

[00:50:58] think it's possible that's like mark still in V it's just not a mighty hoopla yeah awesome so

[00:51:06] you have teased some new music even re-recordings of unreleased material from before like you just

[00:51:13] did a live performance of hey come on on your live stream so after mighty hoopla anything else you

[00:51:20] have planned or what what do you envision for V moving forward we have like a conversation

[00:51:25] this morning about it and I think it's just do whatever feels right in that moment like yeah we've

[00:51:29] got a bunch of unreleased songs some of which we think are pretty good so we're going to look at

[00:51:34] getting them reported maybe writes and do ones listen we've all got day jobs right like we all

[00:51:38] got the things going on but we love hanging out together we think we're a good band and it's

[00:51:44] just like exploring opportunities like there's no it's saying there's a nice space to be right

[00:51:49] because we're not like chasing this genius has to work we've got to make it hell no that we're

[00:51:53] just letting explore opportunities who's going to be the best day you know I always find these

[00:51:58] situations you do one thing and then at least another and like he knows what can happen by think

[00:52:03] we realistic take it out and we're all agreed that we you know we do want to make new music

[00:52:09] we do want to and see where that leads yeah basically it is and whether that's releasing music in

[00:52:15] the future whether that's just you know doing festivals year after year or or doing whatever like

[00:52:21] you know it's it's we're keeping definitely keeping our options open but we're not you know I'm

[00:52:26] being real as well so we'll see yeah awesome well we love it we're so excited for everything you have

[00:52:33] coming up thank you so much for coming on our show I do have to shout out my friend Lowell

[00:52:39] he's a huge super fan he'll be flying from Hong Kong to come see you and he gave me a bit of a

[00:52:44] crash course on you guys like he sent me footage from Arians sterence 40th birthday like he he's

[00:52:49] sent me the hidden track on the album he is so so excited so I want to just shout him out before

[00:52:55] it's a savior yeah yeah we've been and we've seen him in the comments like it's so sweet he has a

[00:52:59] son right and he was showing his son is it the best time yeah yeah that's Mark well we love love

[00:53:06] them with huge in Asia we love it oh man thank you so much for coming on our show yeah we can't

[00:53:15] wait to see all the footage from mighty hoopla and we are rooting for you from across the pond thank

[00:53:20] you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you very much for inviting us it's very sweet

[00:53:24] of course thanks for coming look at the sign before you go yeah yeah thanks guys thank you

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