Welcome to Part 2 of our POP 101 class on Destiny's Child. In this episode, we delve into the next chapter of their remarkable journey. Join us as we discuss Farrah's departure, the triumph of "Independent Women Part 1", and the iconic "Survivor" album. We also take a closer look at the solo activities embarked upon by Beyoncé, Kelly, and Michelle during the group's hiatus, showcasing their individual artistry before reuniting for the highly anticipated album "Destiny Fulfilled."
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References: Beyonce and Farrah discussing luggage https://youtu.be/ObPS0RnDrtI Destiny’s Child - “Say My Name” Live in 2000 https://youtu.be/Ma_Riamxn4U Destiny’s Child - “Independent Women Part 1” MV https://youtu.be/0lPQZni7I18 Last Chance Girl Group: Kiely and Farrah https://youtu.be/xqXusevrYHY Destiny’s Child - “Survivor” MV https://youtu.be/Wmc8bQoL-J0 Destiny’s Child - “Bootylicious” MV https://youtu.be/IyYnnUcgeMc Destiny's Child - “Bootylicious” Live at Michael Jackson 30th Anniversary Celebration https://youtu.be/jTVNS4u6VXc Destiny’s Child - “Emotion” MV https://youtu.be/xWKdMmH0B-E Destiny’s Child - “Emotion” Live with Celine Dion https://youtu.be/V9AkKTHgpnw MadTV “Emotion” Parody https://youtu.be/aASCZgbJxC8 Destiny’s Child - “Nasty Girl” MV https://youtu.be/Dos5pf5OMNM Destiny’s Child - “Nasty Girl” Live on Tour https://youtu.be/xSAejZlw-z8
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00:00:24 --> 00:00:43 So the new member Farrah, who had been in the group around six months by that point, left Destiny's child. There are some conflicting reports about exactly what happened, depending on whose side you're listening to, but general consensus seems to be that Farrah did not like the way she was being treated by Matthew.
00:00:43 --> 00:01:11 And it all reached a boiling point when after missing a few events due to an extreme bout with an illness and needing to recover in the hospital, she was not met with any concern from management. And she claims that Matthew told her, as long as Beyonce's here, there will be a Destiny's child. So according to the members, Farrah also was not handling the stress of touring very well. And she did not have the same work ethic as the other members. And they claim that one day Farrah just didn't show up
00:01:11 --> 00:01:41 But Farrah has since noted that she was ill and no one even told her the next flight schedule. So even if she wanted to show up, she wouldn't have known where to go. So the remaining members, Beyonce, Kelly, and Michelle, decided to remain as a trio, though Farrah's vocals would remain on a couple of the tracks on the upcoming third album. I get the whole Beyonce's here, so we don't need you thing, but dang, that really shows you the kind of like MO that he was operating under, right? So when you think about...
00:01:41 --> 00:02:09 Or when anyone, like, especially the Black community, you think about, like, the makeup of a lot of girl groups, there aren't a lot of, like, dark-skinned, brown-skinned women. During this time where Destiny's Child was coming up, lighter was better. Hip-hop videos would dictate that. All this stuff was happening. I mean, look at who they replaced Latavia with and Michelle and Latoya with. You know what I'm saying? No offense to either one of those girls, and maybe that's just the way things worked out, but it doesn't help, again, to...
00:02:09 --> 00:02:32 with again the makeup of how girl groups were starting to look or how like black media was starting to shape their beauty standards even more as for like a lighter is better you know you know white skin is really good Beyonce is talented I will give her that I love that for her she's very talented the work ethic is definitely there but I cannot sit there and pretend that when I watch these videos the light-skinned girl was in the middle constantly
00:02:32 --> 00:02:54 Kelly would be there, yes. Latoya would be there, but who got most FaceTime, right? So may not have been, I'd obviously said, because it wasn't an immediate place to really say it. That's a conversation that Black people have on a regular. Like, oh my God, I love Kelly because she's brown. Me, I constantly get slotted as like a Kelly because I am brown skinned, which is completely fine. She's talented. But again, it's just one of those things that's like, we didn't really get to see
00:02:54 --> 00:03:22 the other members because her dad was very for her producers who were also predominantly men and from the hip hop R and B culture kind of lean that way too. And I hate to say that, but it's pretty colorist, but it's true. It happens all the time. Right. So again, love Beyonce. She's good. She's very talented, but her father's obvious bias with her for being a child. And then the industry's obvious bias is,
00:03:22 --> 00:03:44 as well, I think played a part into all of this bullcrap that was happening. And I feel so bad for the members I love, even Farrah. Even Farrah, I feel really bad for her because she didn't deserve to get treated like replaceable. Because at the end of the day, even if it is a business, like she's still a human being and whatever the situation was, they didn't like her, whatever, whatever the case may be.
00:03:44 --> 00:04:06 It just sucks that she was treated badly and told whatever at the time, but probably being feeling like, oh, my God, Beyonce is the reason that I can't do this. I can't be in the group. You know, they may not say it, but they're like, oh, well, he's focusing on protecting his daughter. Like, again, he'll never be like, you know, Beyonce was the problem. Say Beyonce, you need to take a little break, you know, but no problem dropping off.
00:04:06 --> 00:04:33 Farrah when she's sick and telling her to go home without her luggage right so between the colorism and then the obvious like push from her parents I feel like this group's face has changed so much but kept her in the center for like obvious reasons because she's talented but also more like nuanced reason like what I mentioned which is why I kind of brought it up um but again shout out to Michelle and Farrah for like sliding in there but it it sucks um
00:04:33 --> 00:04:50 That it kind of seems like Destiny has only one favorite child in that sense. Yeah. You know, so I'll get off my soapbox now. But yeah, feel free to drag me in the comments or wherever. But that's just my kind of like my last thing I want to say about that. So what do you so Farrah is more light skinned. Mm hmm.
00:04:51 --> 00:05:15 Do you think that was actually so I've actually read some comments and I don't know how prevalent these comments are, but that Farrah actually because she was light skinned, she looked a little too similar to Beyonce. I'm in tears. And they felt that. No, I'm serious. I was reading that like on the jump in. I think it was some jump and jump in video comments. But I don't know what you think of of that.
00:05:15 --> 00:05:34 You know what? Just kind of going back to the colorism thing. Yeah. The light skin, the light eyes, the hairstyle. Granted, she is shorter. I don't think they look exactly alike. But again, if you look at like a rapper's favorite kind of girl, it's either like they're kind of phenotype, unfortunately. That's hilarious.
00:05:34 --> 00:05:58 I mean, she replaced Latabia for a reason and then she got thrown out. I would hate for that to be the reason. Like, oh, you look too much like my tall. I don't think it's a reason. I think it's just a factor. Oh, a factor. A factor. You know? Yeah. Sorry. A factor. That's hilarious. I didn't think about that. But I mean, when they did the jumping, jumping video and they went to her on the bed, I did think that she was Beyonce for a second. For a second. But nothing like, oh, my God. Not that you say it. But like, no, I didn't think. Oh, wow.
00:05:59 --> 00:06:26 Matthew was definitely the biggest factor, probably the main factor of why she was kicked out. And it's kind of terrible that she was sick. And they were just like, if you can't make this flight, you're out. Like, we don't care that you were in the hospital. But can we just talk about Farrah's actual, like, talent for a minute? There is a lot of footage of, you know, her not sounding great. She actually did have a similar airiness to what Latoya had. Yeah.
00:06:26 --> 00:06:48 So vocally, she did kind of take that spot. But again, she came in replacing a group of women that were working together since they were children. So it takes some time to get that blend going. So to be fair to Farah, I think if you gave her a few more years, she would have gotten a lot better. Like you look at Michelle. Yo, she...
00:06:48 --> 00:07:07 She became a star years later. You know, those first couple months and years were a little rough for her. So I think she was a background singer. She was used to singing with other people. So doing the backgrounds, you're kind of like, here's your notes, sing it. And I think she came from the church, too. So you were used to singing like in a group setting. Vera, I don't think so. I don't think so.
00:07:07 --> 00:07:29 You can tell Beyonce wasn't feeling her anyway. Again, like, you replaced my best friend and this is what we got. Like, I know I chose you to replace her as well because I was there for the auditions and stuff, but I just don't understand why you're so bad still. Like, that live performance of them singing together and her going, this is your note. Like, that is...
00:07:29 --> 00:07:49 That's, this is your note. Like, that is hilarious. Like, you can't, oh my God. It doesn't mean she's not talented. Because even me, like, I am not a great at harmonizing anymore because I haven't sung with a group in so long. But, like, I had times where I'm like, well, I'm going to put my finger in my ear real quick. I'm going to, because you jump onto whatever the highest frequency is. You kind of hop onto whatever that is.
00:07:49 --> 00:08:13 I've never had someone go, this is your note to me, like in mid performance. But yes. So Farrah, unfortunately, was not one of Destiny's favorite children. She was yet to leave. So following Farrah's departure, the group continued their intense touring and promotional duties, which included touring as the opening act for Christina Aguilera.
00:08:13 --> 00:08:40 And the group's first release as a trio in August 2000 was Independent Women, Part 1. For the soundtrack of the film, Charlie's Angels. And this song spent 11 consecutive weeks at number one atop the Billboard 100. Yeah. Which is good, you know, like.
00:08:40 --> 00:09:08 I mean, 11 weeks is crazy. Yeah, that's pretty good, you know? Like, that's light work, 11 weeks. I remember that time. It was huge. It was literally everywhere. Completely inescapable. Yeah, I think because of the movie, it also helped as well. Because that movie was so good. I mean, a reboot. One of the first reboots I didn't realize was a reboot as a kid, but I just loved so, so much. Three awesome women, and you have now the three DC3s.
00:09:08 --> 00:09:33 The silhouette was just absolutely perfect. The high budget for this video. Oh, my. I was obsessed with the movie and the song. This song is interesting because it's like you hear multiple voices that don't belong to some of the members seen in the video, which I think is so interesting because I think about the Farrah's singing, like you said, is not bad. And she was taking Latoya's parts, essentially, as the that.
00:09:33 --> 00:09:53 top soprano and um i think about how she went to keely williams for like this like girl group reunion show like years ago and she goes keely was like why are you here keely was she was like because i was part of destiny's child obviously we sell records she goes they sell records but
00:09:53 --> 00:10:12 Her harmonies are on the album and the song. Yes, they are. Yes, they are. So she's not technically wrong. But I just think about that clip. She goes, well, why are you here? Like, bass, old record, is not too low. It just sucks. Because, again, you hear Farrah very prevalently, prevalently on the album, on the song. So, yeah, it's just like...
00:10:13 --> 00:10:30 Yeah, and for those of you who are just curious, there are like those acapella versions that you can listen to. But even... I bought it. That's pretty much all Farrah, actually. So, yeah, she's all over the chorus. She's doing that high harmony in the bridge. Yeah, she's all over it. So hopefully she's still getting those royalties. Yeah.
00:10:30 --> 00:10:47 Oh, yes. The song, though, is a classic. And Beyonce's writing had developed so much already. Like, it's pretty crazy that only a few years prior was the first album. You know, like the timeline is pretty crazy here. Yeah.
00:10:47 --> 00:11:17 And I love Kelly's pre-chorus as well. Again, you have the sing-along moment. And of course, the chorus is just made for proud participation. And the confidence is just so good. Like, they're really sitting in their own now. Like, they're really actually confident in themselves now. And it feels very genuine. And it's just a very natural progression from kind of where we were at the time. Because now it's more like, it's not just about the men in your life and kind of making sure that you are asserting yourself there. It's more just like, no, I'm just awesome.
00:11:17 --> 00:11:38 Yeah. Yeah. It's an awesome progression to see. Yeah. Yeah. I think Beyonce's writing was not growing. I feel like she's always had it, but she never had an opportunity to write a lot because Latoya recently had mentioned Beyonce and gave her props about how her work ethic was always super crazy. They would go to the pool and have a good time.
00:11:38 --> 00:12:06 They're like, oh, where's B? So she went to go see where she was. And she was in the car riding to like a track in the car, like a CD that was playing on the radio. So she's been riding since she was a kid. And like two years later, she would get like the ASCAP Songwriters Award. So it was impressive to kind of see her at 1920, writing this kind of song, co-producing even with Jumpin' Jumpin'. So, yeah, definitely showed a lot of promise for sure. So the lead single from the third album, Survivor, was its title track, Survivor.
00:12:18 --> 00:12:41 Beyoncé wrote the empowering song and was inspired by the media's comparison of the group's changing lineup to the number one reality TV show at the time, Survivor, during which the cast conspires against each other to vote members off the island that they are living on. And the song and music video were again a huge commercial success and also won awards including a Grammy and an MTV Video Music Award.
00:12:41 --> 00:12:50 Latoya and Latavia also filed a lawsuit again after the track came out, claiming that the lyrics violated their previous agreement that they would not insult each other in public.
00:12:51 --> 00:13:19 That's rough. I mean, I mean, I mean, when you are friends with or dating or whatever your relationship is with a writer, songwriter, everything's copy. Sorry to everyone. Everything's copy at that point. She didn't say anything terrible. She was just saying, I thought you were out of my life so much better. You thought we wouldn't sell it out. You sold out millions. And I love the performances at this time because she went from like millions to nine million to 33 million. I'm like, why are you being petty? Like she was like...
00:13:20 --> 00:13:47 I love it. You know, it's one of those things where it's like, I can understand why Beyonce would get really upset at the time. Because again, if you think about her work ethic and how everything had like essentially fallen apart with her best friends, another girl was missing. People are looking at you as if you're the reason why when technically it is your dad who's doing it by proxy because he loves you so much. It's like, so she's like, wait, it's all 33 million. It's warranted. Yeah.
00:13:47 --> 00:14:06 Yeah, Beyonce really did take the brunt of it. Yeah, for sure. At this point, people were like, oh, she must be terrible to work with her whole family or awful people like these poor ladies that are being screwed over by Beyonce and her family. Like it was really bad at the time. So this was a great statement to make for sure. It's so endemic. It's great.
00:14:06 --> 00:14:21 Yes, and honestly, can I just say my pants? One of my favorite moments of this time, I remember watching an award show and Chris Rock was like, say my name, say my name. How can I say your name? Because every time I learn a bee's name, you kick the bitch out the groove.
00:14:21 --> 00:14:51 So yeah, when I think about this song, I think about all the moments they've had, like everything, like all the feelings that they may have had at the time and what the song means to people. Like even beyond like, you know, all the crap that you go through with your friends or a loved one, like and then the chorus gets real, the bridge gets really like spiritual. A lot of people look at this as like, I survived cancer. I survived this, survived that. So the song means it transcends its initial meaning. And yeah, shout out to Michelle and that bridge because since then she became like the bridge queen.
00:14:51 --> 00:15:09 Like she was. Yes, this is the first time we've had Michelle get her own verse in a single. Kelly also gets her own special moment as well. So now we're finally in this song and then on a lot of the album as well. Kelly and Michelle getting real featured moments on the songs, which is great.
00:15:09 --> 00:15:25 Beyoncé co-wrote and co-produced almost every song on the album and, again, was a huge commercial success and is also one of the biggest selling girl group albums of all time. And the group would go on to release a few more singles from the project, all of which achieved global commercial success.
00:15:25 --> 00:15:43 I love the Survivor album for sure. This is another one that I hammered at the time. That booklet is also quite tattered. I do think, though, it is too long. Like some of the tracks are a little fillery, like Perfect Man. And then you've got Sexy Daddy. And there's a little lol. Sexy Daddy.
00:15:43 --> 00:16:09 There's a little lull in the middle there. And then you got all the ballads all lumped together at the end as well. So the sequencing also just isn't great. But overall, I like the experimentation throughout it. Like it's not just like I think with the writings on the wall and the first album, they were all very sonically cohesive. Yeah. Like every song kind of fit with each other. They all kind of had the same vibe to it. This song was I mean, this album was a lot more interesting.
00:16:09 --> 00:16:35 Like you get the weird circusy sounds of the independent woman part two. Yeah, you get the joyfulness and happy faith. So, yeah, it's a solid album and it fits kind of where they were in their age at the time. They're now really becoming young women, discovering their confidence, but then also mixing it in with, you know, discoveries with, you know, relationships and kind of being more vulnerable as well. So, yeah, I enjoy the album. What do you think?
00:16:35 --> 00:16:54 Yeah, I think, as I mentioned, Happy Face was like a standout because I was like, what is that? What the heck? But again, it just kind of lends itself to the whole like Beyonce and the group willing to kind of explore different sounds. Because it's a little like whimsy, considering what they've done before is whimsical. It's bright.
00:16:54 --> 00:17:06 And I like that you actually can hear people like different distribution. Again, I think because Beyonce is the figurehead, essentially, at the end of the day, she's a good businesswoman. People respect her opinion.
00:17:06 --> 00:17:30 when members talk about her it's always like her dad pissed me off but the girl knew what the heck she was doing so i feel like she may have had a little bit more of a hand in being able to say no let let her sing it or let her sing this part oh she'll sound really good here or as she's writing this song oh kelly's gonna kill this oh michelle i know she's gonna take this to church you know i'm saying like she knows her members and she didn't just treat them like farah with
00:17:30 --> 00:17:37 But you could tell that they actually were like, oh, wait, hang on. Like, yeah, I know these girls and I want to get to know them.
00:17:37 --> 00:18:06 Well, Sherry knew Kelly, but, you know, I want to get to know Michelle more. What can she do? And then give her what she's good at, you know? Well, I think it's interesting because if you look at it also from potentially a business side, it could also be a business thing as well. I think they kind of knew they wanted to take a little hiatus after this album and that they want to kind of get the girls doing some solo stuff. So it's also a good opportunity, right? You have this new lineup that you're promising is the final one.
00:18:06 --> 00:18:15 You give these two other members a little bit more in the song so people kind of know them a bit better just to set them up.
00:18:15 --> 00:18:44 for the solo stuff. So you can kind of see it from that way as well. But we actually haven't given Michelle any flowers up to this point. So I think this is a good moment because I actually love Michelle's tone. I tend to root for the underdog and people were really mean to Michelle. They still are sometimes. And I'm always defending her because she is brilliant. Her voice is so distinctive. It has such a cool tone to it. And her part in a lot of the Destiny's Child songs from this point onward are often the best parts.
00:18:44 --> 00:19:14 I'm crying. Yeah, I mean, she's a bridge queen. But honestly, I think the reason we weren't really paying attention or like able to give her flowers because she didn't have a seed yet. Survivor was like the first single that we got like a seed of like something to give her like, oh, here's a flower. Because, yeah, that was the only time I heard her in a single up until that point. Right. So I get what you're saying. And it's hard because I listen to her and I'm like, oh, she technically like speaking, like where's her voice sit? She's a soprano. So for her to have to sit there and take Latavia's notes. Yeah.
00:19:14 --> 00:19:31 Oh, my God. That's terrible. Because me, I've done that before where I've sang a soprano part. And then second half, second act of a show, I had to do alto. It is like kind of mind numbing. Because the harmonies are so much more complicated down there. Like when you're up, okay, some little tricky ones. But when you're down...
00:19:31 --> 00:19:58 It's like, Alton Notes are tough. People don't give it a lot of credit, but Alton Notes are very tough, at least for me. But yeah, kudos to her for, again, being a gospel singer and then singing quote-unquote secular music. I'm not saying she would never do it, but her voice doesn't typically lend itself in the pop landscape. You've not heard a girl that sings like her in pop, like, at all, unfortunately. So kudos to her, seriously, for, like, jumping in and then Beyonce, like I said, business-wise, personally and professionally, thinking, hmm.
00:19:58 --> 00:20:20 Go ahead. Oh, the darkness and sadness. Go ahead, girl. Do that. That's brilliant. Also, I've been lucky and have actually met Michelle and talked to her a little bit. And she was one of the nicest people. She's one of the nicest celebrities I've ever met. Yeah, she seems like it. She seems funny as heck, too. I watch interviews with them. She'll be the first one to sit there and throw some shit.
00:20:20 --> 00:20:47 I like her. She has a good personality for sure. I think she's probably one of the, I think that's why she fit in with the group because she reminds me of how they used to talk in those hotel interviews. Yeah. And I love that they always refer to her as like the angel sent to them. And they really did a, they did a good job showing to the public that she was a real, genuine, important part of the group. She wasn't just the new one. Yeah. You know, she was, she had an important place there.
00:20:47 --> 00:21:02 Luckily, Survivor was not the only awesome single from the Survivor album. The next single was Bootylicious with samples Edge of 17 by Stevie Nicks.
00:21:05 --> 00:21:31 The word bootylicious became a popular catchphrase, has stalked Beyonce to the end of time, and it was even added as an official word in the English dictionary. Oh my God, this is such a fun time because I remember everyone, bootylicious Beyonce, she got so sick of it. Bootylicious, bootylicious, booty, come on. She got so sick of it. I think they all got sick of it. I think Kelly even said that they like stopped performing it. Like even when we were watching the Destiny Fulfilled concert, they literally perform it for like 30 seconds in that show.
00:21:31 --> 00:21:46 Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. You know, this is one of those songs where when the rosé all day, like, oh, my God, I love Bully Licious. I love Bling. Crowd finds the song and they wear it out. And then you're just like, I don't like it as much, you know? Yeah.
00:21:47 --> 00:22:15 But yeah, the bridge of the song is probably one of my favorites because like the whole song is very naughtish to like Michael Jackson. Yeah. Because I remember them performing at MJ for his Madison Square Garden like celebration thing. So I think that's like really interesting. That's what they heard. But you can hear it in the verses. I'm like, yo, I cannot imagine what it was like letting Beyonce sit there and hit those ad libs as you're singing the verse. Yeah.
00:22:16 --> 00:22:43 Like, I'm pretty sure she came after, but it's just so funny to hear that. And then the bridge. This song, I enjoy. The remix I like with Missy because they were both at their peaks at the time. Kelly's singing the full verse. Move your body up and down. Come on. Exactly. Exactly. Like, you have Michelle with her part. Like, each part of this song is ear candy. And it's so interesting, like...
00:22:43 --> 00:23:06 how such a ridiculous song, like quote unquote ridiculous song like this will never get made again in the terms of like actually being good. Like it's not, it's silly. It's a silly concept to be booty and delicious and be bootylicious all mixed up. Right. But the song is good. Like the top line is really good. The subject matter, again, is super silly. But the song is like really good.
00:23:07 --> 00:23:35 And I love the video. It's them wearing what they want to wear, wearing Tina's designs, which is crazy because way back in the day, they couldn't even walk into showrooms and they would always get no's because they were a black group. And now they're sitting there wearing the shimmer and the glitter and the blah, blah, blah. And then like they become like style icons, you know? Yeah. So it's great. In the video, they have a good sense of humor. You can see how they really are. They're all Southern girls with accents and just mildly hood. Yeah.
00:23:35 --> 00:24:02 but singing a pop song stevie's in the video like it was all just so much fun to watch yeah so when i was prepping for this episode i just kind of watched all the music videos in a row yeah and this one stands out in the best way because i think up until this point they were taking themselves very seriously and so now you finally get to see them just have a little fun and be a little silly and not try that hard anymore and i love how bright it is the hot pink the hot
00:24:02 --> 00:24:21 blue like yeah this all everything is just perfect and i have to shout out the live version that they did on tour with that extra ending have you heard that one you can't handle me that's so good yeah i'm like who added that that's extra it's so good okay
00:24:21 --> 00:24:40 okay it's giving beyonce i mean beyonce live is always super live super like obnoxious but again i think the obnoxiousness that she would have for live performances just adds to the experiences like what you said you can handle me you're like oh okay okay and it makes the song more interesting too
00:24:40 --> 00:25:09 so yeah yeah oh my goodness such a good song and it's interesting what this album rollout was doing because it was like strong song kind of answering the haters and then a goofy song and then you get the next single which is Emotion featuring a music video that would eventually be parodied by Mad TV in a now like legendary sketch in heart it's just emotions taking me over heart and sorrow lost in the song
00:25:09 --> 00:25:39 But if you don't come back, come home to me, darling. I love their version of Emotion. It is so beautiful. It's up there. If anyone ever does those like best girl group ballad playlists or anything, this needs to be on there. And also is a great example of how a cover should be done, right? Like we always talk about like how covers can be really boring if you don't do anything new with it. If you listen to the original version of this,
00:25:39 --> 00:25:55 And then Destiny's Child's version, like they really took it to level 10. Like they improved it. They added interesting riffs to it. They added interesting lyrics to it. Yes. Oh man, it's such a beautiful song and remains one of my favorite Destiny's Child songs, actually.
00:25:55 --> 00:26:15 No, it's great. I think I, I think someone from the voice, a young lady, I forgot her name, but she's, she's like a ginger lady, but she got really popping because she had done emotions almost like to the T of how Beyonce's runs are. The runs in the song are the albums are freaking insane. Like I said, Beyonce was extra. Like if you know Beyonce, there's a bunch of videos. If you're like a fan,
00:26:15 --> 00:26:38 You've seen the videos where it's like the most ridiculous things, the 10 top ridiculous things were like, when Beyonce's extra days, you know, it's a Beyonce song when like, it's a joke, right? But she was so extra. And I, and I enjoy it because the mad TV, like rendition of it is hilarious. And so accurate because when I think of this song, I think about when they covered it with Celine Dion, Beyonce going, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:38 --> 00:27:07 She's in these high ass notes and then Celine's sitting there like, okay, boo, you got it. Yes, you're right. You're right. I love that so much. I'm like, you are into it. She is very dedicated and she was still like 20 something at the time. I remember when I was background dancing, this footage of me, I look extra as hell and it's okay. When you're young, you learn that. So when you get older, it's more refined and like, you know, but golly. I love that Celine Dion performance because yeah, it's hilarious, but also great. So it is exactly, it's so good, but it's just like, huh?
00:27:07 --> 00:27:36 and the mad tv sketch oh my gosh every time that comes up like recommended or someone mentions there's something i have to go watch it because it's so good because the music video actually of emotion is beautiful i love the way they did the three different screens with like different stories sometimes relationship like different relationships and stuff like that um but this one oh man if you've never seen it please go watch it yeah zebra wilson is amazing it's just beyond
00:27:37 --> 00:27:44 Oh man, so the final single from the Survivor album was Nasty Girl, and it was only released in certain countries.
00:27:59 --> 00:28:28 Nasty Girl is a condescending song describing the habits of a promiscuous woman. So you can't release this song now. To constantly talk about, you know, how hot a woman is. That is, first of all, that's very Southern to do like, oh, she's a hot one. She's a hot one. You know, she's flaming. And then again, it just feels very like holier than thou, the lyrics a little bit. Yes, it's so condescending.
00:28:28 --> 00:28:53 Yeah, even though they were dressed, kind of gave like church ladies, like, like silks and the jeans and the heels, like the hair that she had, like they all had, like it was giving church lady. But yeah, I mean, you can talk crap about someone and still want the best for them. But unfortunately, in R&B and hip hop, like the rhetoric of a lot of like females is females, a lot of women like rappers or singers is to condescend about like a woman's like,
00:28:53 --> 00:29:17 trysts and escapades like that's the biggest insult like you're you think you stank or you you think he loose and you think he this that and that they're like that's like the ultimate insult like r&b and hip-hop and i hate it um yeah i mean this has just aged so terribly but i just love it as just a time capsule like that video at the end when those women go through the nasty zapper
00:29:19 --> 00:29:34 And they come out in like looking like more church ladies. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. See? It's brilliant. Also, just to add to how ironic and horrible everything is, when they performed this song on tour...
00:29:34 --> 00:29:53 Destiny's Child is wearing these like very revealing gold outfits, right? And they have these dancers come out, some of them wearing more than Destiny's Child are. And they're like pointing at their woman like, nasty, put some clothes on. It's all just like...
00:29:53 --> 00:30:13 Like at least put on a jacket for this song. You said what? It just makes no sense. It makes no sense. And it just, it just adds to how hilarious the song is. But what makes it even better is that the song is so fun to sing along to. Yeah. But now, given the current climate though, you can only sing the song in private.
00:30:14 --> 00:30:34 You know what? Yeah. Yeah. And also, I think it's so funny that you were saying about their tours. Like the girls were dressed in the Bugaboo music video the way the girls are dressed now in the Nasty Girl with the top and the shorts and the pants. I'm like, y'all get out of here. But yeah, this song. Wow. Wow. What a great way to close out this era.
00:30:34 --> 00:31:00 Yeah, I don't know what the hell they were thinking it was going to do. Again, it might be one of those, I'm mad at y'all, F y'all. Like, the lawsuit's done, put it out. Like, you know, like, oh, God. But luckily, they would end the year with some cheer. Because for the holiday season in 2001, the group decided to release the single and album, Eight Days of Christmas, which featured traditional Christmas songs as well as original compositions by the group.
00:31:00 --> 00:31:24 Destiny's Child embarked on a massive world tour to support the Survivor album and released the fantastic This Is The Remix compilation, featuring true me mixes with different melodies and vocals. And after years of nonstop work for the group, the members decided to take a hiatus. Of course, this was also part of Matthew Knowles' big strategic marketing plan. Yes.
00:31:24 --> 00:31:43 As we were just talking about a little earlier, Matthew always knew that Destiny's Child was just step one and that the members could capitalize on that exposure to become stars in their own right. And so during this hiatus, which started in 2002, the members of Destiny's Child pursued solo careers.
00:31:43 --> 00:32:05 So we're not going to get like really detailed into it, but we'll just do a really quick rundown, right? So Beyonce starred in an Austin Powers movie and also released her debut solo album Dangerously in Love in 2003. Kelly had a huge hit single with Dilemma, which was done with Nelly, and also starred in the movie Freddy vs. Jason. And then she also released her debut solo album Simply Deep.
00:32:05 --> 00:32:31 Then Michelle appeared in Aida on Broadway and also released a gospel album. And Matthew actually partnered with Columbia Records to create the gospel record label specifically for Michelle's release. So that's interesting. He did like Michelle. He's not going to outshine my baby girl. So, you know. Dang. Hey. Hey.
00:32:31 --> 00:32:53 That's less competition. But, you know, it's interesting how Beyonce's album got pushed back because Work It Out didn't work, like, didn't have the success that they believed it was going to. Like, that's, again, it shows, like, yeah, Beyonce's very talented, but had Amory not done one thing and then Crazy Love, she would have not been the lead. That's right.
00:32:53 --> 00:33:11 Pulling a Beyonce, it would have been pulling a Kelly because Kelly was the biggest one at the time because Dilemma had come out. Unfortunately, Simply Deep did not get the love it deserved. She had a song about self-deletion on there, a lot of other really good ballads. She was holding it down, but Simply Deep got no play.
00:33:11 --> 00:33:38 I love Kelly's entire solo career and I would love to talk about it and how shafted she is and how underrated she is. She's actually she's performing at all these prides and stuff this summer in the UK. I would love to go. I would love to see her solo. She's brilliant. And yes, I love Stoll. I love Simply Deep. And it would be interesting to get a little more into why Kelly maybe isn't as big as she should be.
00:33:38 --> 00:33:56 There's a lot of dynamics there, a lot of which speaks to kind of what you've been saying this whole time. I think Michelle's release was also really interesting to see because she released her gospel album in the middle of the Survivor tour, actually. So she was actually the first to release the full project.
00:33:56 --> 00:34:15 And it actually did really well. It went to number one in the gospel chart. The single was actually pretty good. And she performed it on the tour. So I'm happy that she was actually given the opportunity. And Matthew learned from his previous mistakes. It actually did what he could for her. Yes. And what she wanted. Yeah.
00:34:15 --> 00:34:45 I mean, the girls were interested in different sounds and goals, and I think that's kind of what helped make his decision like less, how can I submit a sabotage? I don't think he was doing that. But I'm not sure when it came. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when did the girls decide to seek outside management from him? That was much later. Much later, right? Okay. Yeah. But yeah, I think, again, it's interesting that they trusted him at this time to do that, even with all the stuff that was going on. But I think he did have, like I said, he did have the best interest of the group at heart. But if you went against the status quo,
00:34:45 --> 00:35:11 the Beyonce quo no offense again like every time I say this I want people like you hate her I don't hate her it's just what I'm seeing because of the dad um he seemed to kind of get them out the way you know um but yeah I liked Beyonce's work it out song I liked it because she's always been very into funk and things like that so it's not new to her but it's interesting how no one was really paying attention to it then because they're like girl what the hell is this
00:35:11 --> 00:35:36 Yeah, I kind of remember that time because I think people were excited that she was in Austin Powers. And then that song, people, that's not what people wanted from her. Yeah, exactly. It's not a sexy song. You know, it's very kind of like Tina Turner, like very like energetic. And she was like screaming on it. That's not what people wanted, you know. So Crazy in Love was. Yeah.
00:35:36 --> 00:35:57 It is interesting to see that that era, the initial attempt was actually a flop. Woo, boy. I mean, you live and you learn. You live and you learn, all right? And all the members achieved success in their own right. And after a few more albums and projects over the next few years, the group was ready to come together one more time in 2004.
00:36:00 --> 00:36:14 Time for one more recess break. Part three is coming up where we discuss Destiny Fulfilled, the various reunions, what's next for the group, and also give some of our discography highlights. See you there. And don't forget to follow us at CCTV Pops on all social media.