Will KATSEYE Succeed? Dissecting Pop Star Academy and Their Underwhelming Debut

[00:00:00] What would you do if you were a PayPal fan who always dreamed of being in a group?

[00:00:05] What would you do if your audition and process was filmed and then broadcasts for the world to see in a competition show?

[00:00:11] Well, that's what happened to 20 girls in the hive in a Gephan training camp called Trim Academy.

[00:00:16] And we're gonna talk about it today on CCTV The Nonstop Pop Show.

[00:00:22] Pop Star Academy Katzai is a Netflix documentary series showing the creation of a global girl group.

[00:00:29] And for 120,000 submissions from around the world, 20 girls were selected and competed for a spot in the group.

[00:00:36] And the series showcased their training challenges and eliminations.

[00:00:41] Yes, you know what?

[00:00:42] I did not get a call or a re-tout.

[00:00:45] You guys know how I saw this for K-pop companies.

[00:00:47] These girls were very, very young.

[00:00:50] Sorry.

[00:00:51] No one's totally fine.

[00:00:52] No one's totally fine because when I think about they were super young.

[00:00:56] I think the youngest was like 14 or 13 or 13.

[00:00:59] Japanese ladies, right?

[00:01:00] She was 14, I think.

[00:01:03] Yeah.

[00:01:03] And then as a the blonde, we'll get into the guys.

[00:01:05] Yeah.

[00:01:06] That being said, it's been a long time since we've had a pop show about a pop star creation show.

[00:01:12] That was good.

[00:01:13] You know, it's been a long time.

[00:01:14] I remember years ago, auditioning before, you know, the lockdown, our audition for a,

[00:01:22] not just for a girl group, by audition for making the band.

[00:01:25] Yes, it was having a reboot before all the P did,

[00:01:28] let her stuff happen.

[00:01:29] But if you're having a reboot and I auditioned for it,

[00:01:31] and I was like, wow, how awesome would it be to be part of another moment in pop history

[00:01:35] where we're making a group?

[00:01:36] So as I see that, and I remember watching Dream Academy as it was happening and being like holy crap.

[00:01:42] Like, who's got to make it?

[00:01:44] I have my favorites.

[00:01:44] I was picking things like that.

[00:01:45] So I think it's interesting to see the whole process almost like for a new generation.

[00:01:50] And I mean, we grew up with it.

[00:01:51] So it was like, I was curious to see how people would receive it.

[00:01:54] Like, I know how I was looking at it.

[00:01:55] I was like, hmm, interesting.

[00:01:57] Ooh, so I feel a bit, ooh, I don't know if I liked this person and then seeing how the public

[00:02:01] would react to the person and all that really is.

[00:02:03] So it's kind of fun to have that like live audience and then be able to see comments

[00:02:08] because back in the day when we were watching the shows, it was like,

[00:02:11] watch it, be at home.

[00:02:12] Maybe talk with your peers about it but now it's like this influx of international fans

[00:02:18] giving their opinions to you and it's like kind of sick.

[00:02:21] So yes.

[00:02:22] Yeah, I'll be seeing there have been a lot of the Korean creation shows,

[00:02:26] but this one is obviously the first long time with them or Western kind of view.

[00:02:30] I guess.

[00:02:32] And I loved it.

[00:02:33] I love making the band.

[00:02:34] Obviously I love pop stars.

[00:02:35] Like I watched all of those.

[00:02:37] Yeah. So I was cited for another show like this.

[00:02:42] And of course, the way Kpop trains is way more intense.

[00:02:46] You know, then I think people understand actually and a lot of the Korean shows that

[00:02:53] I've seen it just doesn't feel as raw.

[00:02:56] It still feels very produced.

[00:02:58] And so I appreciated that this one did feel quite raw.

[00:03:02] Yeah.

[00:03:03] Yeah.

[00:03:04] Again, we just said it.

[00:03:06] These contestants were so young.

[00:03:08] Like I could not imagine being 15 and dropping everything and flying to LAs do this.

[00:03:14] Like that's great.

[00:03:16] Just if you look back at like baby,

[00:03:20] Yeah.

[00:03:20] Even if you look back at like pop stars and stuff, I feel like they didn't go as young.

[00:03:26] That's the as these girls did.

[00:03:28] I think maybe maybe 16.

[00:03:30] Yeah.

[00:03:30] The whole feel back then was like being hot and kind of club worthy.

[00:03:34] Yeah.

[00:03:34] You know, so that it was like what can we get the hit in the clubs now?

[00:03:37] It's like what is the hit on tip top?

[00:03:39] You know, I think the objective has changed, which is why I think the demographic has gotten younger.

[00:03:46] But yeah, I mean, yeah.

[00:03:47] Well, it was a lot and a lot of you love different opinions.

[00:03:50] So we're going to just give hours about like the whole process and like even gym Academy itself.

[00:03:56] And so for the Netflix special that they had,

[00:04:00] which was interesting how they released it, I just wonder what would happen if they

[00:04:03] would release the Netflix special first.

[00:04:06] Let us get our, you know, our biases all right then and there and then show

[00:04:10] to us the results, how the, you know, the both would depend out of like,

[00:04:14] who interesting.

[00:04:15] Yeah, kind of almost wish I didn't know who got in the group, right?

[00:04:19] Because they would have been fun to see them in that first training stage and try to just

[00:04:25] figure out on my own like a spot the star quality.

[00:04:28] You know, because they spend so much time in the beginning like the Bung See Hook and the other trainers.

[00:04:34] They're all like the toughest thing is actually like trying to spot the star quality

[00:04:39] in and the potential.

[00:04:41] Yeah, because I already knew who was in the group.

[00:04:43] I was like looking out for them.

[00:04:44] Ooh, that's so valid.

[00:04:45] Yeah, totally.

[00:04:46] Yeah, the training camp portion of the Netflix pop star Academy, not gym Academy on Newtis.

[00:04:54] So the girls were selected for training in development that they called T&D.

[00:04:57] And the girls were trained for about a year in dance, vocals, visuals and so much more.

[00:05:03] And this process as you said is very common for K pop and views were given a sneak peek into the.

[00:05:08] Mitted like slash if a miss process.

[00:05:11] They had guidance from high like huge players at high like son who's worth with BTS.

[00:05:17] Uh, songs.

[00:05:17] See she'll get and get an AR.

[00:05:19] I think, uh, in executives and other choreographers who were with big names like Britney Spears.

[00:05:24] There's like holy crap.

[00:05:26] The girls were judged in their vocal dance, visual performance, attitude and star quality.

[00:05:31] And going back to what you were saying about being able to see if someone had like that.

[00:05:34] It factor.

[00:05:35] I think it's so interesting how some of the people were chosen and either they were like really pretty.

[00:05:41] And it was like, I had a sort of talented in terms of dancing and singing could really

[00:05:45] deus which is didn't really saying but maybe could be thrown in as a rapper or could really sing.

[00:05:50] But just they were all like mixed back.

[00:05:53] Yes.

[00:05:53] I wouldn't say that there was like a orthophic trainee but there were people where I was just like,

[00:05:57] Oh, girl.

[00:05:57] If you don't make it, I'm going to question everything I know about a pop making process.

[00:06:05] I mean, I will say overall,

[00:06:08] I do get kind of surprised.

[00:06:09] I people being so shocked by how intense K pop.

[00:06:13] And I'm just like, I mean, I guess because if you have like this idea of

[00:06:19] like, I'm like Eastern Asian people in your hair.

[00:06:22] I was like, Oh, this is so bad.

[00:06:23] And so pleasant.

[00:06:25] You kind of started to forget that this is an industry like entertainment is an industry.

[00:06:31] And it's biggest product are people.

[00:06:33] So quality control is key.

[00:06:36] I was at dance company, dance teams musical and I was still going to school out.

[00:06:41] Go to school from like, wake up at six o'clock and be there around sevenish.

[00:06:45] Being school on school three o'clock through after school program to musical.

[00:06:49] And then somehow figure out a dance practice because they had a very slight and I did it.

[00:06:53] Did I cry a little bit?

[00:06:54] Yeah, was I a little bit over around?

[00:06:56] Yeah, did I get told things that made me hurt my feelings?

[00:06:59] Yes, but not making excuses.

[00:07:01] It's okay, but that's how things are.

[00:07:04] You have to be good, especially if you're in a group because if you're the wink of the week

[00:07:08] link, you'll either get thrown out or there's this one.

[00:07:10] See, you know, you don't want to do the big like this by point.

[00:07:12] It's so interesting how people are like, oh my gosh, how can you be so mean to these kids?

[00:07:19] But that wasn't mean.

[00:07:22] Yeah, that's not mean.

[00:07:24] That's hey, I've seen you do really well.

[00:07:25] Why are you not doing that now?

[00:07:28] Hey, did you practice today?

[00:07:29] Did you practice yesterday?

[00:07:30] I noticed that you weren't doing it the way I've seen you do before.

[00:07:33] Like, it's being held accountable.

[00:07:35] It's being held to a professional standard.

[00:07:37] I mean, I feel like the way they handled the girls in terms of their vocal practices,

[00:07:41] their dance lessons was very tasteful.

[00:07:45] They had girls who had been a little bit older doing some more of the heels dancing a little bit

[00:07:49] Conquered like suggestive kind of moves where they're touching and body rolling.

[00:07:53] The vocals they weren't there was like, are you suck?

[00:07:55] It was like, hey, you can hit this note.

[00:07:57] Let's figure out how to get there.

[00:07:59] I've heard many things.

[00:08:00] You suck.

[00:08:01] Oh my gosh, this was terrible.

[00:08:02] That is a garbage.

[00:08:02] I've heard different things.

[00:08:03] That's for myself, but to other people.

[00:08:05] This show is not as bad as it could get.

[00:08:08] Especially what we grew up watching.

[00:08:10] Mm-hmm.

[00:08:10] Yeah, no, everyone was just blunt.

[00:08:13] Yeah.

[00:08:14] You know, they were just realistic and blunt.

[00:08:15] And like you said, they were like, we have a standard and you have to hit it or else you won't make it in this business.

[00:08:21] And that's just the reality of it.

[00:08:24] You know, and so even when they were pointing specific contestants out and was like,

[00:08:30] you are not getting it.

[00:08:31] It was never really done in a meat way.

[00:08:33] It was just kind of like, you need to pull up.

[00:08:37] Absolutely.

[00:08:38] Yeah.

[00:08:40] And it is really tough.

[00:08:42] Like I said earlier, I don't think I don't know if I could have handled it as like a 15 year old.

[00:08:47] Mm-hmm.

[00:08:48] But you have to be able to handle that to make it in this business.

[00:08:52] Like as you become a public figure, you're going to have the whole world judging you.

[00:08:57] Oh, and so it is all just kind of prep for that.

[00:09:00] Like, oh, and I love that they had a mental health.

[00:09:02] Yeah.

[00:09:06] And so yeah, I did appreciate that.

[00:09:14] Yeah.

[00:09:15] I will say though, compared to watching like girlishess and like this other.

[00:09:20] Oh, my gosh.

[00:09:21] Yeah.

[00:09:22] Show's.

[00:09:23] Yeah.

[00:09:23] The expectations here are much higher over.

[00:09:27] Yeah.

[00:09:28] Yeah.

[00:09:29] Yeah.

[00:09:29] Okay, pop is crazy.

[00:09:31] Like of course we're both dancers.

[00:09:34] I get the idea of like every single thing, like everything has to become legally perfect.

[00:09:43] Yeah.

[00:09:46] And the way K-pop is now, you're pretty much have to be as good as it's not better than a professional dancer.

[00:09:52] Yeah.

[00:09:53] It's so like, it's like sterile, but like I don't not explain about a two like the contrast between

[00:09:58] like when we first got into it to now is just like so stark.

[00:10:02] Yeah.

[00:10:02] Because I think before watching Danny decaying and all that, it was like obviously you can hit

[00:10:06] the steps that you can get the details where needed.

[00:10:09] But you were allowed a bit more freedom with like just putting your own flavor into it.

[00:10:13] Yeah.

[00:10:13] That is not the case with K-pop.

[00:10:15] It's yes there is still an element of you need to stand out on your own.

[00:10:20] But it's definitely not as free.

[00:10:24] And this also just proved this whole process proved that vocals are definitely the lower priority.

[00:10:30] Words or sure word, which I still kind of hate that.

[00:10:34] Yeah.

[00:10:34] And I get that that's just the current state of music.

[00:10:38] I guess.

[00:10:39] It's just true.

[00:10:40] This is true.

[00:10:40] This is true.

[00:10:41] This is true.

[00:10:41] This is true.

[00:10:42] This is true.

[00:10:43] This is true.

[00:10:43] And we did get to see them train in harmony isn't stuffy.

[00:10:47] Yeah.

[00:10:47] Briefly.

[00:10:48] And not even all of them.

[00:10:50] I feel like it was just the ones that had known as the Satter.

[00:10:54] That got to actually do that.

[00:10:57] And that did improve like obviously they showed Emily.

[00:11:00] I think she was like where she could not stay on pitch again the beginning and she

[00:11:03] was quite a lot vocally by the end.

[00:11:06] She did.

[00:11:06] She, um,

[00:11:08] me, well, talking more about the vocals.

[00:11:09] I think later when we get to the missions and stuff.

[00:11:12] Yes.

[00:11:12] And then we get to the mission.

[00:11:13] But yeah, what does you think of the non, I guess the big,

[00:11:17] big drama.

[00:11:18] Yeah.

[00:11:19] Yeah.

[00:11:19] I'll put it then.

[00:11:20] Who was it?

[00:11:21] They got a nice set.

[00:11:22] They got a nice set.

[00:11:23] Yeah.

[00:11:23] Right.

[00:11:23] In the NDA.

[00:11:25] What do you think of her situation and then we'll talk about

[00:11:28] the non.

[00:11:29] So with nice, you sure.

[00:11:30] I don't, okay.

[00:11:31] So a lot of people who are listening to this or like maybe just finding this don't

[00:11:35] know us probably and definitely don't know me but I've had this in for a lot of

[00:11:39] shows.

[00:11:40] And even though I haven't gotten on to some and I've gotten on to others.

[00:11:45] Be amount of things I've had to sign to say you can't tell anyone that you've been

[00:11:48] out, you can't even tell your mom because your mom might tell someone they might say

[00:11:51] that shantel's going to do X.

[00:11:53] Why is it?

[00:11:54] You can't do that.

[00:11:55] You can't say what you're working on.

[00:11:56] You can't even, I've auditioned for pilots.

[00:11:58] You can't even say, oh, it's going to be kind of sort of about this.

[00:12:01] Even if they put a press release out that's them.

[00:12:04] They are the ones that are allowed to say whatever whenever.

[00:12:07] But you as a contestant or a cast would be not speak on that.

[00:12:09] Now, regardless of everyone having social media when they were not supposed to.

[00:12:15] She was the one that had the most damnable evidence on her page.

[00:12:20] Even posting a snippet or even the melody is copyright infringement on like so many

[00:12:25] degrees.

[00:12:26] You have the song where I just you have to worry about the producers I've made, the

[00:12:28] musical composition.

[00:12:29] You got people who's got the mat.

[00:12:31] There's so many layers of WTF worth worth.

[00:12:35] That she could possibly be in a funding upon.

[00:12:39] That everyone's like, oh my god, I think that's so unfair.

[00:12:41] It was just but everyone has no hunting you just and then that was a huge

[00:12:44] no, no.

[00:12:45] So what's fair is fair is that you were told a lot to do something you signed the

[00:12:49] contract and you knew the consequences.

[00:12:52] You put too much of the partnership.

[00:12:53] Got excited.

[00:12:54] I get it.

[00:12:55] You're young lady, but you know what the stipulations of the contract were.

[00:12:58] Which is why I think it was so impactful that they had the girls read the contract

[00:13:02] because I don't think they really felt serious this crap was until they lost

[00:13:05] someone that they actually cared about because it's like you're going to ruin

[00:13:08] something that we've been preparing for maybe years for just because you want

[00:13:12] people to know that you're doing it.

[00:13:14] Just do it.

[00:13:15] So for me, I get it.

[00:13:17] It's soft.

[00:13:18] But at the end of the day, you can't follow the rules.

[00:13:20] It's like baby, you got to go.

[00:13:22] You got to go.

[00:13:23] She was very talented.

[00:13:24] I don't think she was like girl group.

[00:13:27] But she was listed as one of the underdogs which I think that's hilarious

[00:13:31] that they even put a couple ladies in that category.

[00:13:34] My car.

[00:13:35] Yeah, I'm like, underdog.

[00:13:37] But I don't think she was going to make the group anyway and I think they already kind of knew

[00:13:41] they were going to eliminate hers.

[00:13:42] They kind of used her as collateral a little bit.

[00:13:46] It kind of make a point.

[00:13:47] On that side of things, I'm like, oh, that's where it's called the TV show kind of comes in

[00:13:52] and we're trying to add drama because I personally think even if she wasn't

[00:13:57] eliminated and they went through the rest of the exercise,

[00:13:59] I'm reading everything and getting, and it,

[00:14:04] that reprimanded and stuff.

[00:14:06] Yeah, I think they still would.

[00:14:07] I think the point still would have been made.

[00:14:10] There.

[00:14:11] I think she was eliminated in that way more for drama, honestly, for the show.

[00:14:17] But I don't think she would have made it as far anyway because she just wasn't improving

[00:14:23] as fast as they wanted her to.

[00:14:26] Yeah, that is, that is very,

[00:14:28] that is a definitely good.

[00:14:29] I agree with that for sure.

[00:14:31] Yeah, yeah, regarding monon though.

[00:14:35] First up, it's so interesting because I went down a reddit hole after this and I looked at kind of just current opinions on it

[00:14:41] because I heard that people were saying that, oh, like this just shows that, you know,

[00:14:48] maybe the cat side girls are not that close.

[00:14:52] Like that they have a wall, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:14:54] Yeah, and I was looking at kind of just what people thought about it.

[00:14:59] And again, people, I can't just overreacting.

[00:15:03] Oh yeah, totally.

[00:15:04] Because first off, monon is from Europe where the work ethic in general, like just culturally,

[00:15:11] is just not as high.

[00:15:14] Like they value work life balance a lot more than they do in the east, I would say,

[00:15:20] and here in America, but especially in the east.

[00:15:23] And so I think going from that culture to then suddenly being like, even with your not in rehearsal,

[00:15:28] we're expecting you to practice.

[00:15:30] I said that's right.

[00:15:32] Yeah.

[00:15:32] All of that.

[00:15:33] Like, I think if that's just that's not the easiest concept to actually grasp, I think, if you're not aware of it.

[00:15:40] And if you never had to deal with that before.

[00:15:43] And I think the way I couldn't tell it was just the way they edited it,

[00:15:46] I think it made it look like it lasted for quite a long time before anyone said anything.

[00:15:53] Also, oh, yeah, I was more just kind of like, look,

[00:15:56] if she missed a rehearsal, wouldn't the producers and all the training people already kind of be like,

[00:16:01] hey, like, what happened?

[00:16:03] Yeah, which then, of course, then she was also put in like her own.

[00:16:07] She didn't get to have to live with the other girls.

[00:16:09] And stuff and it did feel a little bit like she then got special treatment,

[00:16:12] but then they alluded to mental health and stuff.

[00:16:16] And she was just going to think as well.

[00:16:18] Yeah, so then I couldn't really tell how much of it was produced and how much of it was really,

[00:16:24] yeah, just an excuse.

[00:16:26] Maybe also, also how much of it was produced for trauma.

[00:16:30] I don't know.

[00:16:32] Well, yeah, I think she got it at the end.

[00:16:34] Like when she had that group conversation and it's been a year more than a year, right?

[00:16:38] So yeah, I'm sure they've worked it out like this stuff.

[00:16:42] That's what makes it possible for me to be that current bad blood, even if there is.

[00:16:45] But we don't know.

[00:16:46] But like I don't think this reflects that.

[00:16:49] I mean, coming from an environment where I had a dance trend that was competitive,

[00:16:56] she always wanted things to be perfect.

[00:16:57] Like she was very much like, come on.

[00:16:59] Let's get it.

[00:17:00] Let's get this talking and I was the way I was like,

[00:17:02] personality higher in the dance team.

[00:17:04] So if I missed something, she'd be upset because it's like now we've got to re-teach it.

[00:17:09] That's why I get the frustration there

[00:17:12] as being a monon for a little bit

[00:17:15] in terms of like, oh, I was a dad there, I'm hurtful.

[00:17:18] But I think what became even more of an irritant

[00:17:20] for them was the fact that she had no apparent vocal

[00:17:25] and dance skill that could actually come back

[00:17:28] against Elara, a Megan or dance skill

[00:17:33] that could go against an Emily or an Adela.

[00:17:35] That's when it became a little bit more like a little bit

[00:17:38] salt on the wound, I think.

[00:17:39] And I can agree with that.

[00:17:40] I mean, maybe because of like these reasons,

[00:17:43] she wasn't in the first bit of rehearsals

[00:17:45] that she was getting training in her own country.

[00:17:48] But when she finally did get there,

[00:17:51] it's just, I don't know.

[00:17:53] All the stuff was just happening

[00:17:55] and that she got sick and then it was like,

[00:17:56] she sitting down not working

[00:17:58] and then they show the scene with her at her aunt house

[00:17:59] and she's like, oh my god, I go with this sister.

[00:18:01] I was like, okay.

[00:18:02] And so I was saying no,

[00:18:03] since you should go, this is the big chance.

[00:18:05] It was okay.

[00:18:05] And that was like, oh no, oh no.

[00:18:09] Oh Jesus.

[00:18:09] So when I was watching it, I was like, oh no.

[00:18:12] And to be truth be told,

[00:18:14] I'm glad they kept some of that in it

[00:18:15] because it's just like, it's from trying to watch someone

[00:18:17] who is very beautiful.

[00:18:19] But then have these opportunities

[00:18:20] instead of being sat down

[00:18:21] like do you actually wanna be here?

[00:18:22] Because it's, you may not be prepared for it,

[00:18:25] but we're trying to do something here and you're not.

[00:18:26] You know what I'm saying?

[00:18:27] So yeah.

[00:18:27] It's frustrating because Laura was like,

[00:18:29] it's because she's pretty.

[00:18:30] And it is.

[00:18:31] And it is.

[00:18:32] Because I remember what before the show came out

[00:18:34] watching Jimmy Cady and I was like,

[00:18:35] oh, is that why does she look like this?

[00:18:38] She's unreal.

[00:18:39] And I was like, she's so pretty, but after a while

[00:18:41] when I watched the Netflix drama,

[00:18:43] I was like, okay enough enough.

[00:18:44] Pretty what, okay.

[00:18:46] Pretty what I was getting kind of annoyed too.

[00:18:48] And she may not mean any malicious harm

[00:18:51] but it's frustrating.

[00:18:53] And just going back to what I was saying about being

[00:18:55] like kind of, that was absynx

[00:18:56] like couldn't get a ride or some other bull crap.

[00:18:58] My friend was super competitive.

[00:18:59] We danced together and I messed up.

[00:19:01] She got mad.

[00:19:01] Like she was that kind of person.

[00:19:02] But she literally is one of my best friends now.

[00:19:04] She was in my music video, you know,

[00:19:07] and we're all dancing together.

[00:19:08] You would never know that she and I were like,

[00:19:11] well, I didn't mess with the dance.

[00:19:12] You messed with the dance.

[00:19:13] And you weren't that practical.

[00:19:13] Like you would never know that because why is that

[00:19:15] that important?

[00:19:16] Like in the moment if it sucks your mad.

[00:19:19] But time passes.

[00:19:20] You talk things out and you realize you know what?

[00:19:21] It's not that serious.

[00:19:22] Are you present now?

[00:19:23] Yes.

[00:19:24] And that's what I do appreciate that she did get herself

[00:19:27] together.

[00:19:28] I mean, toward the end, she started kind of going back

[00:19:31] and forth again.

[00:19:32] But she reminded me a little bit.

[00:19:34] But a human, it's human.

[00:19:36] My biggest thing is that the company seemed to be kind

[00:19:38] of padding her a little bit because they're like,

[00:19:41] she's so pretty.

[00:19:41] She being great.

[00:19:42] Because it was visual treatment.

[00:19:44] Yeah.

[00:19:45] The visual is the person that's meant to grab people.

[00:19:48] So I think for a little bit I was like,

[00:19:49] come on y'all.

[00:19:50] Come on.

[00:19:50] That's what I mean though again is I couldn't really

[00:19:52] tell how much of it was made more dramatic by the TV show

[00:19:56] and then it could have been a little bit.

[00:19:57] Like I said, it did feel like it lasted for a very long time

[00:19:59] before anyone kind of told her what the other ladies were

[00:20:03] dealing.

[00:20:04] Yeah.

[00:20:04] You know, like it was just like this should have come

[00:20:07] through much faster.

[00:20:09] Yeah.

[00:20:09] And I couldn't tell maybe it actually did.

[00:20:10] And they just belonged for the, yeah, for the edit

[00:20:14] for the drama of it all super weird.

[00:20:17] But no, I'm the same.

[00:20:18] You know, like I always see I've been in a bunch

[00:20:19] of dance groups and performances and stuff.

[00:20:22] And it's annoying when someone misses rehearsal.

[00:20:24] Oh my god.

[00:20:25] Yeah.

[00:20:25] It's annoying when someone doesn't put in as much effort.

[00:20:28] Yeah.

[00:20:29] Yeah.

[00:20:30] And it is different if someone has the skill to make up

[00:20:32] for it and so she and she didn't.

[00:20:34] Right.

[00:20:35] So it's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like,

[00:20:37] okay, like she isn't as good as us and she's missing

[00:20:40] everything and no one's recommending her

[00:20:42] and she's getting all this special treatment

[00:20:44] like what the hell is going on.

[00:20:45] Yeah.

[00:20:46] It's kind of like hindsight.

[00:20:46] But it's crazy.

[00:20:47] Like that should have been nipped in the bud earlier on.

[00:20:50] Like they talked to the mental health specialists

[00:20:52] and stuff like I don't know.

[00:20:54] Again, it just the timing of it.

[00:20:55] I thought was odd.

[00:20:57] Yeah.

[00:20:58] Oh, hey, wait.

[00:20:59] Hopefully she's she's fine now.

[00:21:01] I guess.

[00:21:02] I think they're good.

[00:21:03] I feel like they're all actually like, you know what?

[00:21:06] Whatever it was to show she's here.

[00:21:07] We're present.

[00:21:08] You know, so good for her.

[00:21:10] I'm thinking of the show.

[00:21:12] So we're going to just kind of go back to after training

[00:21:15] and talk about that competition reveal.

[00:21:18] Now yeah.

[00:21:18] The shows we've watched is never been like,

[00:21:20] hey, y'all.

[00:21:22] Yes, what?

[00:21:24] I don't know if you had a show where millions of people

[00:21:27] are going to judge you or hundreds of thousands.

[00:21:29] I don't know because there wasn't much promotion around this.

[00:21:31] Thousands of thousands.

[00:21:32] Thousands of thousands.

[00:21:34] Those votes weren't very eye.

[00:21:35] Like, but they were filmed there.

[00:21:36] Like I was like 30,000 votes versus I was like, oh,

[00:21:38] that's a really low for high.

[00:21:40] I feel like anyway.

[00:21:41] I'm going to point as you all.

[00:21:43] Composition was announced as a girl after a year of training

[00:21:47] just inserts of different trainees coming in after their year

[00:21:51] and more trains were added.

[00:21:53] So then while in the midst of training and development,

[00:21:56] the hype CEO decided to expedite the process.

[00:21:59] And then finally revealed that there will be a survival show

[00:22:02] which took, which took all the contestants by surprise,

[00:22:05] which is understandable because now you have all the

[00:22:07] sisterhood and camaraderie being tested by an outward competition.

[00:22:13] So as extra stress, like, you know, it's a lot.

[00:22:15] What do you think about that?

[00:22:18] I mean, I would have mad.

[00:22:19] I would have mad.

[00:22:20] I would have wanted to know that I was getting into this earlier on.

[00:22:24] It's interesting because yes, they kept using the angle of like,

[00:22:27] oh, now their sisterhood is being tested.

[00:22:31] But that was they were always in competition.

[00:22:33] Like yeah, they were being judged against each other just by a bunch of executives before.

[00:22:40] They were still in competition.

[00:22:41] They knew they weren't all going to, they were not all going to make the group.

[00:22:44] So I feel like I personally would have wanted to know that it was leading

[00:22:48] to a survival show to then get into the group.

[00:22:51] I feel like I would have trained just as hard.

[00:22:54] You know what I mean?

[00:22:54] I think that would have affected my ability to train and improve or my camaraderie

[00:22:59] with my contested because I'm already in competition with them regardless.

[00:23:03] I think the antsy does get up a little bit because now you have this global spotlight.

[00:23:08] And yeah, the influence is probably outside was to get the favoritism,

[00:23:11] fandom, good put to the test.

[00:23:13] Oh, yeah.

[00:23:13] Like that.

[00:23:14] I wouldn't want to chat.

[00:23:14] That's why I would have wanted to know about that.

[00:23:16] Because this stress fall it is.

[00:23:17] Because it's like once you, like say for example,

[00:23:20] we had a poll and like our Western pot fans were like,

[00:23:22] yeah, Chris, we love Chris.

[00:23:23] And then the came up and was like, yeah, we love shit.

[00:23:25] What was it like?

[00:23:26] Well, we know where we stand.

[00:23:27] We, you know, we talk about it all the time with the point is what if our fans were

[00:23:32] like, yeah, we just love freaking Chris.

[00:23:33] I was like, well, just call the sea show.

[00:23:34] Like a lot of my hair.

[00:23:36] You know, I'm totally joking.

[00:23:37] But the point is I get it.

[00:23:38] Go in.

[00:23:38] Do you have a bunch of people that you want to perform for eventually perform for a saying,

[00:23:42] yeah, we'll be like so and so better.

[00:23:44] It doesn't feel good.

[00:23:45] It causes tension which could also affect where you land in this group because

[00:23:50] if the chemistry is off and you're not performing to it.

[00:23:53] So it does like this weird like secret element that gets added because

[00:23:58] oh, it's rough.

[00:24:01] I would hate to like put up again.

[00:24:03] I don't, I don't like competitions like this.

[00:24:05] I rather just be like all together.

[00:24:07] We've noticed this.

[00:24:08] We've want you like cherry pick me not here's the fruit for you all the

[00:24:12] pick from everyone's like, I want to banana.

[00:24:13] And I'm like, but I'm a really good cherry.

[00:24:15] So it's kind of like, it sucks.

[00:24:18] It sucks.

[00:24:19] But this is what they used to also increase the hype around which also sucks.

[00:24:24] Because I'm like, you have a Gaffin one of the biggest company in Youton.

[00:24:27] You couldn't just get posters or like buses or something else other than like

[00:24:32] traumatic visual representation of this competition.

[00:24:36] But I mean for them, where then to jump into it,

[00:24:38] Kudos to them and also who the heck with those three trainees that they kept showing on

[00:24:42] the dang screen of the Netflix special.

[00:24:45] But what was it showing on the side?

[00:24:49] And Zelina and two other girls.

[00:24:52] They kept telling these girls, I'm like, they're not going to show it one day.

[00:24:56] Yeah, I will say there were a few contestants that they barely showed.

[00:25:01] But you know, there's only so much time in these episodes.

[00:25:03] This is sure also we did say earlier, but shout out to that casting lady.

[00:25:08] Oh my gosh.

[00:25:09] Yeah, great job.

[00:25:09] She was explaining her process of finding all these girls.

[00:25:12] I thought it was fascinating.

[00:25:13] She did such an amazing job.

[00:25:14] I thought the pool was really, really good.

[00:25:17] Like as a as a pool, it was very, very talented.

[00:25:20] Very, very much very talented and all the more kind of different as well.

[00:25:24] Yeah.

[00:25:25] Like they did she killed that.

[00:25:27] I was so I'm very curious as to why they did not have an ambiguous black girl on the

[00:25:34] show, monon monon monon's biracial offense.

[00:25:37] But like I was like, where the brown act?

[00:25:39] What about that?

[00:25:39] That's me.

[00:25:40] That's just me.

[00:25:41] I just like to see a little bit of a little bit of a

[00:25:44] zero colored girls on the CV.

[00:25:46] That's just me though.

[00:25:47] What's up from that?

[00:25:47] That's fair.

[00:25:48] I did enjoy the diversity, the almost like kind of competition within the countries or

[00:25:56] like the ethnicities of the girls.

[00:25:57] You had two girls who were Indian ethnic ethnicity.

[00:26:01] Two girls are Japanese, two girls are Korean.

[00:26:04] You know what I'm saying?

[00:26:04] So it's kind of like, ooh, interesting.

[00:26:06] Interesting.

[00:26:07] So I think overall though, like you agree with you, which is a nice pick up people.

[00:26:12] Yes.

[00:26:12] Totally.

[00:26:13] I agree.

[00:26:13] Yes.

[00:26:14] So in the dream Academy series on YouTube, contestants,

[00:26:17] baits would be decided by both management and global fans.

[00:26:21] And as the series progressed, viewers from all over the world were allowed to cast

[00:26:25] their votes for their favorite trainees and even social media interactions affected the rankings

[00:26:30] and editing for the contestants.

[00:26:32] Oh, yeah.

[00:26:34] Oh, man.

[00:26:35] It's interesting because it's like, how do we approach?

[00:26:37] It's like, do we just talk about dream academy or do we like talk about the net

[00:26:40] series that led and is so weird?

[00:26:42] Because again, the way we released everything.

[00:26:45] But I'm watching Jamekad and I have my opinions.

[00:26:47] And then now that I'm watching the Netflix thing,

[00:26:49] I was like, oh, my God, I got got.

[00:26:52] I got got.

[00:26:53] Like for example, there will be moments where I'm watching it.

[00:26:57] And I'm like as a K-pop fan, I can see the appeal of certain people.

[00:27:03] And then as like a music, a Western music fan, I'm thinking, oh,

[00:27:06] my gosh, I think this girl will be way better in the group.

[00:27:09] But unfortunately, unfortunately, our first, I don't know.

[00:27:12] K-pop fans were the only people that seems to have known about this show.

[00:27:16] And I was like, dang.

[00:27:18] Yeah.

[00:27:18] We need other people in this because you want to promote them as a global group,

[00:27:23] but not trying to be funny.

[00:27:23] People want to make it here in American music so that the music does reach a more wider audience.

[00:27:29] Like, K-pop is big, but they're still like this weird little stigma because it's K-pop.

[00:27:35] You make it here in America everyone knows your name.

[00:27:38] That's just what it is. Our greatest export of people when you come here, you got to be exported.

[00:27:42] So it's just interesting how they were just really focused on getting that K-pop sound and the K-pop look

[00:27:48] to and K-pop song covers and making them sound like K-pop girls.

[00:27:55] So I kind of had like a, ooh, excitement for it, but also like, mmm, is this kind of be just like a cover group,

[00:28:01] essentially where they're just singing K-pop demos?

[00:28:04] So I kind of like excited but also a little bit wary about it.

[00:28:08] And then now looking at the Netflix stuff, it was very much we're trying to make a little K-pop girl group

[00:28:14] that's singing English.

[00:28:15] We wanted to be global, but just with K-pop and you know, K-pop music.

[00:28:20] Like, I wonder like I said if the Netflix documentary was released first.

[00:28:26] And then bam, now you know everyone's little dirty laundry.

[00:28:30] Here it is, you two special bam. Let's watch it.

[00:28:34] How would the votes be affected?

[00:28:35] Would men non-swork ethic be questioned?

[00:28:37] Would a deli who can sing her face off and dance really well?

[00:28:41] Would she had been appreciated more?

[00:28:43] Would Lexi, who had center potential according to the Netflix show,

[00:28:49] been some of that people looked out for.

[00:28:51] But she kept getting slaughtered in groups that weren't really getting a lot of attention.

[00:28:55] So it's like one of those things around like, oh my goodness.

[00:28:57] I was watching the show already mentally picking my girl group.

[00:29:01] And I could honestly say like watching the YouTube and YouTube show,

[00:29:06] and then see who made it in.

[00:29:08] Only maybe like maybe like one or two girls that it make it like from my pick.

[00:29:11] Yeah, maybe one or two.

[00:29:13] But like now that I watched the Netflix show, I'm like, oh my god,

[00:29:15] that girl would have been great in here.

[00:29:17] She would have been good because I didn't know that she could actually give what she's been giving

[00:29:21] because what we saw on the YouTube show was just but a fraction of someone's talent.

[00:29:27] I don't like dang.

[00:29:29] So I'm just like, dang.

[00:29:32] I don't know.

[00:29:32] I feel like a little bit like not play but just like, I don't know how to describe it.

[00:29:37] I mean things work out the way they work on workout,

[00:29:39] but it just feels like beating at the full picture.

[00:29:41] Especially with that.

[00:29:42] Especially with that.

[00:29:43] Oh yeah.

[00:29:43] I mean the process you're explaining is kind of like what like American Idol

[00:29:47] and those kind of shows works.

[00:29:49] Like you watched them audition and you watched all the like boot camp before

[00:29:53] the live shows.

[00:29:55] So you kind of already made those connections before you watched them kind of do their thing live.

[00:30:00] So yeah, and that's how pop stars work too.

[00:30:02] Like we girls loud like that's how that all worked too.

[00:30:04] I'm spoiled.

[00:30:06] Yeah, I will say I think the overall set up of the competition was done well.

[00:30:10] But I agree it was not marketed well because actually I remember you telling me about it.

[00:30:15] Thank you.

[00:30:15] That's the mission one.

[00:30:17] Like you said, yeah.

[00:30:18] Oh, what do you think of this?

[00:30:19] Yeah.

[00:30:20] I barely knew anything about it.

[00:30:21] I knew Gethin was like working on something.

[00:30:25] But they did not market this competition in a way that made me want to participate.

[00:30:30] No, I don't know.

[00:30:32] Yeah.

[00:30:32] So so I found that.

[00:30:34] I don't know.

[00:30:35] That's just interesting.

[00:30:35] I think looking back on what they did because I know so many people that would have.

[00:30:40] I want to say yes.

[00:30:41] Yeah.

[00:30:41] I found this.

[00:30:42] Yeah and it just yeah you're right.

[00:30:44] Maybe because they made it so niche.

[00:30:45] She just didn't.

[00:30:47] I don't know.

[00:30:47] I'm not sure what it was.

[00:30:48] Yeah.

[00:30:49] It's weird.

[00:30:50] Yeah.

[00:30:50] But anyway, yeah.

[00:30:52] I think the overall setup was good.

[00:30:54] I agree with you though.

[00:30:55] I mean, I remember from watching those competitions.

[00:30:58] I was like, okay.

[00:30:59] It's just a K-pop group with non non career career career.

[00:31:03] Yeah.

[00:31:04] Okay.

[00:31:06] Maybe that's also why I like just wasn't that interested.

[00:31:08] Like especially with mission one, which we'll talk about in a second.

[00:31:11] But it's like, oh, they're just doing dance covers of new jeans.

[00:31:14] You know.

[00:31:14] Like on this.

[00:31:15] Yeah.

[00:31:16] Yeah.

[00:31:17] Yeah.

[00:31:18] I do think.

[00:31:20] I do wish each contestant got a solo moment.

[00:31:25] Yeah.

[00:31:25] Even if it's just one of those one minute like tease or tight things where it's like you get to choose what you do.

[00:31:30] Like you've been standing, it's just saying you can just stand show us what you think your biggest strength is at one.

[00:31:34] Yes.

[00:31:35] I think that would have helped a lot as a mission as well.

[00:31:40] You're kind of.

[00:31:40] But yeah, you mentioned kind of the countries kind of getting behind certain contests.

[00:31:44] What does you think of all that dynamic?

[00:31:46] Because I thought the Americans saying the Americans were not supporting them.

[00:31:50] I thought that was like kind of hilarious.

[00:31:51] Anyway, I think so too.

[00:31:53] Because at the end of the day, a merit you are not just American.

[00:31:57] Your blankety blank American.

[00:32:00] No one's just American here.

[00:32:02] There is no criteria for being American, brah.

[00:32:05] Despite what some people may think because not just American face.

[00:32:10] I'm black American.

[00:32:10] You're Chinese American.

[00:32:11] You're Korean American.

[00:32:12] You're Australian.

[00:32:13] Whatever it is.

[00:32:15] So certain groups within those sex are going to support the people that look like them.

[00:32:20] If I want to saw a little touchy vocal of God, I'm like,

[00:32:24] She's like the man in that.

[00:32:25] Yes, I would have root especially if she was especially if she was.

[00:32:30] Especially if she was.

[00:32:30] Especially if she was.

[00:32:31] But I had no skin and I literally had no skin in the game.

[00:32:34] So I was like.

[00:32:35] So I literally was like whoever's good.

[00:32:38] Whoever is good.

[00:32:39] But I think is this I didn't vote, but I was like, okay, I like to Meghan Meghan.

[00:32:43] Meghan was giving me fake.

[00:32:44] She was giving me body.

[00:32:45] She was giving me movement.

[00:32:46] She was giving me book.

[00:32:47] I like Lara.

[00:32:48] She's giving me this.

[00:32:49] Yeah.

[00:32:49] So I was kind of going off of.

[00:32:51] But yeah, I think it's interesting how people like the Americans would know and likes me.

[00:32:54] Girl, you've been a tap into whatever mother tongue you know.

[00:32:57] And you better hope that the people in the country that resonate with you and outside the country

[00:33:02] Your mother land resonate with you as well.

[00:33:04] I mean, a lot of the girls did that on the show.

[00:33:06] Like Lara, she spoke in Tamil.

[00:33:07] I think it is that the American speaks and people were like, oh my gosh.

[00:33:11] So if you had peck along, you know, I'm saying, Danielle Spanish.

[00:33:16] There's a lot of people here who speak Spanish.

[00:33:18] It's like, oh yeah.

[00:33:19] I mean, I think also with a lot like like the Philippines for example, some countries are just very passionate in general.

[00:33:26] So like I remember even when it was fourth impact that was on X factor.

[00:33:29] Oh, yes.

[00:33:31] Yeah.

[00:33:31] So like the Philippines, like this was a British competition, but they were supporting them.

[00:33:36] Uh huh.

[00:33:36] From over there, you know, right?

[00:33:38] Yeah.

[00:33:38] They also had no direct impact on any of that.

[00:33:41] But they were yes excited that someone somebody was from their country was, you know, somewhere.

[00:33:45] Yeah.

[00:33:46] And America just doesn't we have that I think we do.

[00:33:48] We know, at the end of the day, we're kind of already everywhere.

[00:33:51] Yeah.

[00:33:51] And yes, like Navy these weren't Asian Americans that were taking part in this.

[00:33:56] But we have a lot of American idols already.

[00:33:58] But she, you know, like almost every group down pretty much has an American or at least a really good English speaker or someone who spent some time in America.

[00:34:07] Yes.

[00:34:07] Yes.

[00:34:08] And so it's just not as novel.

[00:34:10] You don't as having like oh my god, there's an Indian contest or two Indian contestants like that's rare.

[00:34:17] You know, like I think for Americans, it's kind of like okay, they're Americans is competition great.

[00:34:22] Yeah.

[00:34:23] No, literally it's like almost almost from Slovakia Slovenia.

[00:34:25] Yeah.

[00:34:26] But she's in Slovenia.

[00:34:28] Like, what's that?

[00:34:29] Right.

[00:34:30] It's so yeah.

[00:34:32] The hilarious though.

[00:34:34] But you know, I think, yeah.

[00:34:36] You know, I was curious how they were going to explain how they were going to separate the public votes from the exact

[00:34:42] Yeah, votes and how they were going to weigh that.

[00:34:45] And they never really fully explained if there was a percentage to how they were weighing that.

[00:34:50] From what it's not like they were just like these negatives would just take into account the public vote.

[00:34:55] Wow, making a decision.

[00:34:58] So I'd actually be curious to learn more directly how they took that into account like so for example,

[00:35:05] Like, I think she was already kind of up there.

[00:35:07] Tallyed.

[00:35:08] Anyway.

[00:35:09] But I think she's probably a good example of like oh, like her countries behind her.

[00:35:13] They will get as well.

[00:35:15] Yeah.

[00:35:15] It's kind of like black swan on the people watching the Apple TV documentary, but even in that they're like,

[00:35:21] We want to the Brazilian.

[00:35:22] Yeah.

[00:35:23] Yeah, like they were kind of very clear about that.

[00:35:26] So now I know I didn't make the group theory.

[00:35:29] They filled their quota.

[00:35:31] The decryl.

[00:35:33] Oh, God.

[00:35:34] All right.

[00:35:35] So as the show progressed, we got our first mission, which were like,

[00:35:39] Vocal and dance displays, I guess.

[00:35:42] So we had the vocal teams performing,

[00:35:43] Paramores still into you, which was a special arrangement.

[00:35:46] And then we had another team performing Robins slash Billy Eilish, a mashup of dancing on my own and happier than ever.

[00:35:52] And then we have the dance teams that performed Black Pinkson, Pink Venom and then your team's OMG excuse me.

[00:35:59] Yeah.

[00:35:59] At the end of these missions, all those one missions, excuse me, a Della and Einerie were eliminated.

[00:36:07] Yeah.

[00:36:08] See now you watched the Netflix documentary first, right?

[00:36:12] Well, no, I had seen because you sent me these questions to watch.

[00:36:15] So it's only watched the missions.

[00:36:16] I never saw any.

[00:36:18] The elimination footage.

[00:36:19] I didn't watch the elimination.

[00:36:20] I didn't watch any of the non-performance.

[00:36:23] Yes, I was literally only watching the missions themselves.

[00:36:27] Okay.

[00:36:27] So me watching this, I can tell you for a fact that I was watching it going like,

[00:36:32] Oh, wow.

[00:36:34] Team one who's singing Paramore still into you, they sound so good.

[00:36:39] I just feel like, however they decide to put these girls together,

[00:36:43] just felt a little oddly match.

[00:36:45] Like, I get since vocal groups were selected based on their potential blend and like visual compatibility.

[00:36:53] That's what I'm getting from that.

[00:36:54] Because like group two wasn't bad, but when they were singing happier than ever,

[00:36:58] it just sounded like a bunch of soloists singing together at a stand-up to cancer event.

[00:37:01] It wasn't like, you know?

[00:37:04] It wasn't like a full blend, but then the Paramore group had some of the shows more outstanding vocalists.

[00:37:11] That could also blend, that could also vocalize.

[00:37:14] That could also handle their own and add lip, and I was like, interesting.

[00:37:18] I wonder how I'll figure out how to put these people together and why you put them together like this.

[00:37:23] Remember watching it would be like, bam, the Paramore group is the one I like.

[00:37:26] I enjoy it.

[00:37:28] With the dance groups, I was like, okay.

[00:37:33] I see the dancing.

[00:37:34] I have my little stand out here and there.

[00:37:36] I definitely like Megan, like, off-rip.

[00:37:39] And then in group two with OMG, I was like, well, Emily's killing it.

[00:37:44] Geez, Louise, like you could see that obviously.

[00:37:47] But again, going back to what I know with enough,

[00:37:52] like show a delish that have been in a singing group because I grew up in hit notes.

[00:37:55] She can actually sing.

[00:37:57] Can she dance?

[00:37:58] Yes, but she was not standing out against Megan who had the most screen time in the edit.

[00:38:03] Because I got snatched up by Megan too and I was like, Dan got that.

[00:38:05] I got dang it.

[00:38:07] You know, things like that on like holy crap. She should have been singing.

[00:38:12] So she can show I was robbed.

[00:38:13] I will still get to tell her what's wrong.

[00:38:16] That's I didn't notice her and I felt bad for not noticing her.

[00:38:20] But when I watched the Netflix special, I was like, she has the work ethic.

[00:38:23] She has an interesting visual.

[00:38:25] She can dance.

[00:38:25] She can sing holy crap.

[00:38:27] Yeah.

[00:38:28] You know, I will say I don't like how some of it was edited in terms of like the dance portions.

[00:38:33] Like you focus on one person and your eyes are going to do them at one person because they have the killing part or whatever.

[00:38:37] And then with the vocals in the vocal groups is overly process, but it made them sound like a little bit like,

[00:38:43] Roked inny, tini's the word I want to use here.

[00:38:46] But aside from that, like I feel like the way that stuff was edited and matched up.

[00:38:50] Meal like my eyes and my ears were trained and geared toward one over the other.

[00:38:55] I'm just saying, I think that could be knee being easily brainwashed and malleable.

[00:38:59] I don't know, but something just felt a little like this is perfect set.

[00:39:04] This is the perfect.

[00:39:05] Yeah, bam.

[00:39:06] Here's the end and even Carly made a comment about it.

[00:39:09] I'm going to talk about it later.

[00:39:11] But the Netflix show she had made a comment about how editing was kind of altered based on all fans were reacting to it.

[00:39:20] So yeah, you can tell that.

[00:39:22] Yeah, I know as a fan.

[00:39:23] I was like, oh, someone so killed it.

[00:39:24] But was because it was edited.

[00:39:25] That why I don't like shoot.

[00:39:26] I got snatched.

[00:39:28] Yeah.

[00:39:29] I mean, I will say, I remember watching still in to you because I thought the arrangement was really nice.

[00:39:34] Yeah, actually.

[00:39:35] But I hate the way the vocals are processed and both of those.

[00:39:39] They add so much reverb.

[00:39:40] There's clearly tuning in there.

[00:39:44] Like there's a lot of post leveling as well, which is fine.

[00:39:47] But like if you want to make it seem like a live performance, you don't need all that.

[00:39:50] Yeah, but you don't need to make it sound like a studio performance.

[00:39:54] But you know, the harmony is nice and like all the training has paid off.

[00:39:58] Like all the chemistry seemed like seemed relatively natural.

[00:40:02] I thought the Robin Billie Eilish mashup was not good.

[00:40:06] Like I just didn't like the arrangement of that at all.

[00:40:08] Like I just based on the song, like the girls who got to do still into were just lucky.

[00:40:14] That's that arrangement.

[00:40:15] It's just so much better.

[00:40:19] With the dance teams, I wish they did get original choreography because if you're going to give the vocal groups,

[00:40:25] original arrangements, certainly something different from the original's are.

[00:40:28] I think that they just could did K-pop covers.

[00:40:30] Yeah, that's hard.

[00:40:32] It's really hard to gauge the quality I think from that.

[00:40:37] And so I wish they got.

[00:40:39] Yeah, I just wish they got more curated and like,

[00:40:43] Awesome.

[00:40:44] Awesome.

[00:40:44] Yeah, some point because I tell us the ballerina give her all something to do with her.

[00:40:48] Yeah, exactly.

[00:40:49] Let's let them show off their strengths a little bit.

[00:40:52] Yeah, yeah, I did find.

[00:40:55] Sheenari the whole edit of he and I found very interesting.

[00:40:58] Like first off, they barely show her actually like in the final mission to video.

[00:41:03] Anyway, you know when they were showing a Della like and the other girls like helping her and seeing her a bit look.

[00:41:11] She was really young and she was holding it down.

[00:41:14] I watched what I watched that I watched it again just to watch her and I was like,

[00:41:19] You know what?

[00:41:20] She's really not bad.

[00:41:21] Like maybe she was the worst thought of everyone but like they weren't me.

[00:41:24] I was like, okay, it's a little dramatic for no reason.

[00:41:26] She actually got a lot of information.

[00:41:29] Yeah, she did it for quite a lot.

[00:41:31] She wasn't like such a huge liability like trust me.

[00:41:34] I've been in dance groups where there have been much.

[00:41:37] I've been in a lot of liability classes with people and jeans.

[00:41:42] Okay, anyway, point is I think it may have been an articulation thing because sometimes she wasn't attacked.

[00:41:48] Like a dynamism thing but she wasn't like not getting the steps.

[00:41:51] So I think it's like she was in nipped.

[00:41:53] Yeah, correct.

[00:41:54] I was like, oh she's like absolutely not that bad.

[00:41:57] Yeah, yeah, she's not down.

[00:41:58] I'm like, please stop playing in her face.

[00:42:00] And then the other girl you I think she was the one that was trained in heels and still like that.

[00:42:04] So it's like comparatively you have a Japanese girl but one of them is eating you up and giving you dancing from the,

[00:42:10] from the cookies like she's gonna be like,

[00:42:13] I really want to be here which one is going to,

[00:42:17] you're not going to bother the one that's going to sit there and stop on you with a heel.

[00:42:20] You're going to bother the one that's like kind of sort of sweet.

[00:42:23] And that's yeah.

[00:42:24] So yeah, this you got she got shafted a bit.

[00:42:27] Oh, yeah, oh man.

[00:42:31] All right.

[00:42:31] So mission two, we have fly to Seoul and they were split into four teams.

[00:42:37] You did a cover fearless by the Seraphim and two did a cover of anti fragile.

[00:42:43] Okay, the Seraphim and at the end of this mission Brooklyn,

[00:42:47] Ilya, Carly and May were eliminated.

[00:42:51] Yeah, this one was interesting because like the people I got eliminated.

[00:42:55] I remember very much not being mesmerized by these people when I watched the,

[00:42:58] Yes, the playback, the challenge or whatever the video.

[00:43:05] Yeah, I recall when I was watching it thinking why would they choose E. C.

[00:43:08] So I'm like obviously, Le Seraphim was high, new girl group and that you want to promote it.

[00:43:13] But like this whole like sneak cross promotion bull crap is getting so old now because a,

[00:43:19] Hey, the girls themselves, Le Seraphim have a hard time singing and dancing it themselves.

[00:43:26] And I asked an a bunch of girls who have,

[00:43:29] No, sorry, yes, you're right.

[00:43:31] But it's it's a lot of movement you're flipping your hair on the floor.

[00:43:34] You're shaking your body, kicking your body over your body around moving away.

[00:43:37] Yeah, sing your song. Good luck.

[00:43:39] Like are you kidding?

[00:43:41] No, the songs are actually tough to sing because they all breathy.

[00:43:44] And it's like, it's hard to do that like while you're like throwing your body around.

[00:43:49] Yes, and it is even the girls who can sing are sitting there fighting for their lies.

[00:43:54] Yes, so wrong.

[00:43:56] You could have given that.

[00:43:57] Oh, many other songs to do this.

[00:44:00] You could have given them all the girl groups long from yesterday year from the West to do because no,

[00:44:05] they did, they danced.

[00:44:06] You could have done a lot. You could made new choreography.

[00:44:09] But yeah, I just, I just, ah, was not happy about that.

[00:44:12] It was just a little unfair.

[00:44:14] And I also find it interesting that in the Netflix series,

[00:44:16] they kept Carly's comment about having better edits of her vocals.

[00:44:21] That's right.

[00:44:22] They kept from the actual final edit.

[00:44:26] And I've heard this girl say, love it personally, but we've all heard them.

[00:44:30] Yeah.

[00:44:31] Yeah.

[00:44:31] And she can sing.

[00:44:33] Mm.

[00:44:33] You love it more R&B based.

[00:44:35] But she can sing.

[00:44:36] We heard it when she did the Robin Billy, I was sick.

[00:44:38] She can sing.

[00:44:40] So why is it now?

[00:44:41] She felt like she's a fluke in this good.

[00:44:45] But that was so not fair.

[00:44:47] Um, but yeah, the plug of the Sarah Fan, which is unnecessary, I think at that point,

[00:44:52] Karisma had to be the standout factor with some surprising vocal moments in that so unfair.

[00:44:57] Like, I mean, at that point when I was watching it, some Mara kind of stood out to me.

[00:45:01] So Fiesta, like, Lara was pushing past some of like the vocal silence of the high whispering.

[00:45:07] I was actually trying to project.

[00:45:09] Um, with the fearless group, I felt even worse for them because the song is whispering.

[00:45:15] And you got none who can kind of hit those nails, but it wasn't really singing, but giving you face.

[00:45:19] So bam, instantly you're like, who's in this group?

[00:45:21] Yeah, Danielle in this group.

[00:45:23] Wow, amazing.

[00:45:24] Then you get to group two who was right in the all blue and you had Brooklyn, legacy.

[00:45:28] Other people like him barely remember right now.

[00:45:32] And I don't, I could really can't tell you why.

[00:45:35] Something about the way these groups were shuffled is just so strange.

[00:45:41] Like they said, well, we bounced it out.

[00:45:44] I can't remember anyone that was super, super outstanding in group two blue, the blue alphabet fearless,

[00:45:50] except maybe Lexi because she sounded the most like natural in that range.

[00:45:55] But I'm, but the first group, wow, with monon and Danny, and I was like, holy crap.

[00:46:01] This is great. So I don't, what did you think about it all when you were watching it?

[00:46:06] Did you watch it like just now or like when I sent it?

[00:46:09] No, I remember watching it at the time.

[00:46:11] Okay. I remember actually being mad that they didn't just give them four different songs like what?

[00:46:16] Oh, yeah.

[00:46:17] Why just, yeah, I don't know. Oh my god, good point.

[00:46:20] Very good point. Like what's that?

[00:46:21] Again, vocal processing in noise need because

[00:46:25] Hearts of it sound, pure recorded.

[00:46:29] Some of them don't. Yeah, but then the whole thing is clearly again.

[00:46:33] Yes. Processing.

[00:46:35] Like for example, like if you're jumping up and down, voice is not going to be stable.

[00:46:41] Because it's basically like not possible.

[00:46:43] And there are moments in this where they are moving quite a lot in the vocals sound two stable.

[00:46:48] But then there are other points where they're like shelving their feet really fast.

[00:46:50] But then there's clearly a shake in their vocal. So it's like, okay, so it was live.

[00:46:53] Question work.

[00:46:54] So I'm just a little bit confused by all the vocal takes in general because I watched them all again.

[00:46:59] Like after watching this Netflix doc and I was still confused by all that I was like,

[00:47:04] Did they just I don't understand the start of it?

[00:47:06] It doesn't sound real.

[00:47:08] There's no way they didn't add 80 art.

[00:47:10] Yeah.

[00:47:11] Because like it's stupid.

[00:47:12] Is that consistent?

[00:47:12] Yeah. And then like you said, these songs are not easy to sing.

[00:47:17] Like honestly even if you took, I don't know,

[00:47:19] Celine Dion and Telequarticid and you had them learn this choreo

[00:47:23] and try to sing these songs. They wouldn't sound great either because this these songs are just not melodic.

[00:47:29] You know what, that and also K pop does not allow for you to change the key that you need to sing in while you're far.

[00:47:36] Or you can't even change it.

[00:47:38] No, no, no, no.

[00:47:39] Like you can't even like switch things up just to like make things different or easier yourself.

[00:47:44] Because if I'm dancing, you know what? I'm singing the F out.

[00:47:47] Like what you're looking at, what?

[00:47:48] What's up?

[00:47:49] What's up?

[00:47:49] It's impossible.

[00:47:51] Yeah.

[00:47:51] It's very tough.

[00:47:52] And so overall I think the vocal sound terrible.

[00:47:55] Like these songs are just not meant to be sung live like that.

[00:48:00] And especially, I think with Lucer, if you melod them have thinner tones as well, which kind of works a lot of these.

[00:48:07] Contestants have thicker, raspy or tones, it's still for all.

[00:48:10] I would say yeah.

[00:48:11] And Ed just doesn't work as much with these songs either.

[00:48:14] I don't think so. It was just like all just like not a great showcase for any of them.

[00:48:19] No, it was a, no.

[00:48:20] It was a charisma show at that point. It really was and it's like hoost it out.

[00:48:24] Right.

[00:48:25] Yeah, I mean, yeah.

[00:48:27] I think it was also interesting because this was when you kind of notice more just kind of the vibe each one's giving.

[00:48:33] Yeah. Like for example, like Emily.

[00:48:36] She's so good, but she's pretty famous just so much smaller than.

[00:48:40] Yeah.

[00:48:40] And so she's standing in between Sofia and Lara.

[00:48:44] Yeah.

[00:48:45] And she as well.

[00:48:46] But like, she just looks so much smaller.

[00:48:48] So just looks off.

[00:48:50] They were those she's killing it.

[00:48:51] I don't know. So those are kind of interesting things to kind of just start noticing.

[00:48:55] No, I mean, sense.

[00:48:57] Yeah.

[00:48:57] I think yeah.

[00:48:58] Okay.

[00:48:59] No, saying have you watched the Cowboys, the Dallas Cowboys,

[00:49:01] Chiliter and one of the girls a great dancer.

[00:49:04] But they're like, it looks like a little sister running off.

[00:49:07] Yes, that's right.

[00:49:07] That's what it's giving.

[00:49:08] Yeah.

[00:49:09] That's the answer.

[00:49:10] Yeah.

[00:49:10] Just like, I was that a little bit as well.

[00:49:12] Yes.

[00:49:13] Oh, God.

[00:49:14] I forgot about her.

[00:49:15] I felt so bad because she got shafts.

[00:49:16] It sounds it very talented.

[00:49:18] But yeah, I think her visual is she just did it.

[00:49:20] Yes, as well with everyone else.

[00:49:22] Yeah.

[00:49:22] I think from watching these back like, oh, man.

[00:49:25] Like Danny Ella is such a star.

[00:49:27] I think I'm not on this was she stood out way more in this than she did the first mission as well.

[00:49:32] And again, like you mentioned as well.

[00:49:35] Yeah.

[00:49:35] So yeah.

[00:49:35] Obviously, like it showed that they're talented.

[00:49:38] I mean, it did show their potential in ways.

[00:49:40] But I just feel like there were better songs that they could have had come to.

[00:49:44] I agree.

[00:49:44] But it's all about this whole like,

[00:49:46] let's me, Garb and stop, stop trying to promote and a group that's already big.

[00:49:50] Stop it.

[00:49:51] Stop it.

[00:49:51] It just gives up.

[00:49:53] Like, it's something original to do.

[00:49:55] Yeah.

[00:49:55] What's they should have, which is,

[00:49:56] Which is get that was mission three.

[00:49:58] So I guess they're building up to that, like kind of the like,

[00:50:01] I get a,

[00:50:02] Okay.

[00:50:03] So I know where I just,

[00:50:05] We don't, I don't we don't agree with what the way it was that I, yeah.

[00:50:08] More real things.

[00:50:08] So what does you think of Lexi with trying at this point as well?

[00:50:13] Oh, yeah.

[00:50:13] So Lexi for those who do know, I mean, you should not this point.

[00:50:18] But if you don't know, Lexi was one of the contestants in the left,

[00:50:20] like, series that was not with the whole,

[00:50:24] We're a competition show now.

[00:50:26] And I understand that the executives were very shocked because apparently they looked at her and heard her and we're like,

[00:50:34] Bam, she could make it.

[00:50:36] Which is interesting because when I slower and I heard her singals,

[00:50:39] but then she got to that studio and sang their debut song.

[00:50:42] And I was like, okay, hang on.

[00:50:45] They're something there.

[00:50:46] So you have someone who's potentially a center.

[00:50:49] You screwed her over or she feels like you screwed everyone over rather and her beliefs in her principles were like, yeah,

[00:50:56] I'm out.

[00:50:57] I can respect that.

[00:50:58] But I wonder what would have happened had she stayed with the group,

[00:51:04] not be this tall collection of like,

[00:51:06] Brats, baddies are going to be more geared around than is Rela.

[00:51:10] That's right.

[00:51:11] And Emily, or so like literally this girl could have been the full crumb of this show.

[00:51:16] Yes.

[00:51:16] So we'll never know.

[00:51:17] And I think that's crazy.

[00:51:19] I remember watching the show and be like, Oh, the little one's gone.

[00:51:22] I don't remember.

[00:51:23] And then I watched the, they all said, Oh, yeah, she sounded good.

[00:51:26] Now watching the Netflix show, I developed a respect for her.

[00:51:29] So when they got to that challenge, I was like, damn,

[00:51:31] I feel bad for not realizing who she was.

[00:51:33] And then next episode she leaves.

[00:51:34] I'm like, dang it girl.

[00:51:35] Good for you.

[00:51:36] But I wanted to like you.

[00:51:38] Now I realize how talented and how much you've been.

[00:51:41] I wanted this one of this, you know, I was like, dang.

[00:51:44] What do you think about it?

[00:51:46] Like, by respect her, I respect her for what she did.

[00:51:48] She was just like, I don't want to do this.

[00:51:51] This is bad.

[00:51:53] You know, I see a lot of it came from,

[00:51:54] I guess the last straw, I guess it was that situation where

[00:51:58] Oh, yeah.

[00:51:59] They revealed to all the girls, but they saw it.

[00:52:02] We're secret.

[00:52:03] Yeah.

[00:52:04] Choices of who they wanted in the group.

[00:52:07] Yeah, caused some drama before the elimination.

[00:52:12] That's messy.

[00:52:13] That part I think was super messy.

[00:52:14] That was messy.

[00:52:15] I was so interesting hearing that TV executive woman talked about it

[00:52:19] because she literally was just like,

[00:52:22] we didn't really think about their feelings.

[00:52:23] We just need to draw them off.

[00:52:25] It was like, sorry that they felt that.

[00:52:26] I was like, dang.

[00:52:28] You know what?

[00:52:29] You know what?

[00:52:29] At least he admitted it.

[00:52:30] This is television.

[00:52:31] Yes.

[00:52:31] Yeah.

[00:52:32] This is, you should expect to really like when you're going into a reality show.

[00:52:37] Yeah.

[00:52:38] They got produced.

[00:52:39] Yeah.

[00:52:39] For your, sorry girls.

[00:52:41] Yeah.

[00:52:42] But I thought that was so mean the way they did the numbers.

[00:52:44] Like this girl got put in like six people's groups.

[00:52:47] This person got put in zero.

[00:52:49] You know, like, I was like,

[00:52:50] That's so mean.

[00:52:51] Like you don't need to tell it.

[00:52:54] They heard.

[00:52:55] She heard.

[00:52:56] She got she said everyone was like, who's going home?

[00:52:59] This person and they go,

[00:53:00] She goes, no matter that, you didn't want me here.

[00:53:02] I was like, good for you.

[00:53:04] Good for you.

[00:53:05] Because don't be my face to look like a, you know, want me here.

[00:53:10] Suck my butt.

[00:53:11] Yes.

[00:53:11] That's right.

[00:53:12] That's right.

[00:53:13] I did think that was pretty mean to me.

[00:53:16] It was mean.

[00:53:17] Yeah.

[00:53:17] I thought that would be like, don't do that.

[00:53:19] You did not want me in the group talking about.

[00:53:21] She's like,

[00:53:23] I think like what the hell is there?

[00:53:24] I would think don't get up.

[00:53:26] Oh, man.

[00:53:27] It a mess.

[00:53:28] But again, coulda said her.

[00:53:30] Yes.

[00:53:31] Being able to watch it in the Netflix show was pretty cool.

[00:53:32] So good for her.

[00:53:33] That's the best.

[00:53:35] Yes.

[00:53:35] So right after that, I think she happened.

[00:53:38] She actually did go to Korea didn't she?

[00:53:40] Yeah.

[00:53:41] Yeah.

[00:53:41] So it's after that.

[00:53:43] So she's in Korea and she's like, Hey, I'm going home.

[00:53:45] Effort.

[00:53:46] Yeah.

[00:53:46] So yeah.

[00:53:47] So the girls then proceeded onto mission three,

[00:53:51] which were Western song covers.

[00:53:54] And you had different.

[00:53:55] Original choreography.

[00:53:56] Oh my gosh.

[00:53:58] I mean, granted Western singers, I like,

[00:54:00] I'ma gave you these vocals.

[00:54:01] I mean, puts a get those.

[00:54:04] Oh, yeah.

[00:54:05] I mean, the other two don't really have any.

[00:54:07] Okay.

[00:54:08] What's he?

[00:54:09] Look at his original original choreography.

[00:54:12] So yes, the Milabado's confident.

[00:54:14] The puts a get dolls is buttons.

[00:54:16] Slices girls want to be.

[00:54:17] We're all the songs that were performed.

[00:54:20] And during this round,

[00:54:21] Celeste, you Nion and

[00:54:23] Uwa or eliminated.

[00:54:26] So, oh, man.

[00:54:30] Finally, get a chance to hear their voices.

[00:54:32] Get to watch their dancing, their performances.

[00:54:35] Now, what did you think about the dream academy edit that we received?

[00:54:40] Which is it about those?

[00:54:42] I wanted it more raw.

[00:54:44] I think I think I either do it like it's a real performance.

[00:54:50] Yeah.

[00:54:50] Because they tried to make the vocal sound live when they weren't.

[00:54:54] Or just give me a music video.

[00:54:57] Okay.

[00:54:59] Yeah.

[00:54:59] I don't like this weird mishmash of them looking like they're pretending to sing live in the street when they're not.

[00:55:06] That's hilarious.

[00:55:07] And even show them rehearsing it too.

[00:55:09] Like, I think at one point in Megan's trying to do her huge live in it.

[00:55:12] Yeah.

[00:55:12] If we recorded that anyway.

[00:55:14] Like, doesn't mean yeah.

[00:55:15] And then she was flat and they kept letting her be flat.

[00:55:17] And like you are not making her look good because someone's going to pull this and use it against her.

[00:55:22] Yeah.

[00:55:22] She had, she was doing like some crazy move during it too.

[00:55:24] Yeah.

[00:55:25] She was doing like a black thing.

[00:55:26] Like, come on.

[00:55:27] And then yeah.

[00:55:29] Yeah.

[00:55:32] And then she was doing this thing and like, what's wrong?

[00:55:36] But I'm like, girl, what's going on?

[00:55:40] So no offense to so hey, and the other crowd of what the heck we all thinking.

[00:55:45] That was a moment for the hands.

[00:55:46] Yeah.

[00:55:47] Yeah.

[00:55:47] Let her work the camera.

[00:55:49] Yeah.

[00:55:49] No.

[00:55:50] They were like, we have to choreograph to every single 80 and a, you know.

[00:55:55] I didn't even do it.

[00:55:56] I don't know what it is.

[00:55:58] Now my thing is, I'm not blaming them saying you guys are terrible cragipers but I feel like whoever was like,

[00:56:02] yes, do that.

[00:56:03] Are not thinking about what Western people would think?

[00:56:06] Like, these were just dance videos.

[00:56:08] Yeah.

[00:56:08] legit.

[00:56:09] Yeah.

[00:56:10] I mean the dance portion of the videos are what's important to Kate pot fans.

[00:56:15] I mean, people in general, I mean, you look at TikTok dances, the dance is that songs

[00:56:19] that I've already had choreography people are making new dances.

[00:56:21] You're right.

[00:56:21] I mean, people learn those.

[00:56:23] But like the buttons dance was huge with a little punch up and then a little finger finger.

[00:56:28] Like we all know it, you know?

[00:56:29] So I guess that is important in terms of visual things even though you and I grew up listening

[00:56:35] to singers and knowing their ad lives and doing the ad lives and the other little hidden

[00:56:39] vocals.

[00:56:40] So it's interesting kind of see like generationally speaking like what we attach ourselves to and what like

[00:56:45] Kate pot fans now attach themselves to.

[00:56:47] So I guess it worked out, but then you have instances with buttons.

[00:56:52] Menom and sounded like a pancake.

[00:56:56] Super flat.

[00:56:57] Pre-recorded or otherwise sounded flat.

[00:56:59] And then she was so busy thinking about the steps.

[00:57:02] She just looked like, you know, like a fairy guys.

[00:57:05] Yeah, but gorgeous.

[00:57:06] And I'm like dang.

[00:57:07] So watching the gym academy, I was, I didn't really notice her as much.

[00:57:11] Yeah.

[00:57:11] She looks pretty.

[00:57:12] I didn't really notice.

[00:57:14] So Fiesta though, because she was, she was eating it up.

[00:57:17] So she's going to take a, uh, pass up.

[00:57:17] Yeah.

[00:57:17] It's going to be a couple of set of scar given that see if she was sick.

[00:57:20] Yeah.

[00:57:21] Yeah.

[00:57:21] Come and find out.

[00:57:22] Come and find out.

[00:57:23] And confident is the performance.

[00:57:25] I mean, we go wild for Laura.

[00:57:27] And I'm like, it's so interesting how in the Netflix show, they mentioned that her

[00:57:30] skills, like just okay.

[00:57:32] And she needed some work here in there.

[00:57:33] But I'm like out of all the new surprise trainees like Somara and Celeste and Marquis in the rest of

[00:57:40] them, she was pretty well routed.

[00:57:42] I think Mark Kee kind of got slotted, like shafted it a bit in the confident group because you have Megan who's tall and like kind of like lead vocal material. You have a lara who sings the way she does who's very much confident who she is as an Indian American girl and they have Yunshay who is the only

[00:57:58] Like not only but she is one of the yeah, only like Korean idle trained

[00:58:02] Yes people that you have Mark Kee. Yes, can sing but she's not standing out as much like Yunshay was like outstanding to me

[00:58:10] But she was holding her own with the other two girls I mentioned and then you wasn't up like show

[00:58:15] You find out she was going to school in the comment to rehearsal

[00:58:18] Which also took a little bit more in the way with the manon from missing that buttons rehearsal

[00:58:22] You know so it's interesting

[00:58:26] Not young being eliminated during this portion did it make sense at the time because I was like well, why do you guys see was good?

[00:58:34] Yeah, I mean she has a little awkward moments when she was dancing, but honey she could sing your face

[00:58:37] Her face all she has start quality as well sure. Yeah, but she wants to be solo as expressed in the

[00:58:43] Netflix and you can't have that in a group so yeah

[00:58:46] I mean again, it's good to have that backstory, but again

[00:58:50] It's just like hey when you're watching it and then hyn's getting the hindsight. It's like oh shoot that happen

[00:58:57] Who's it out for you? I feel like this was like kind of like a definitive moment of all a lot of people

[00:59:02] Or they're like yeah, I like this place and I'm first off before I get into that

[00:59:05] I just want to say I think get thin needed to do a focus group for survey or something

[00:59:11] Americans who don't like Kpop and why they don't yes and use that to inform how to make this group a true hybrid between a

[00:59:21] Western and a K-pop group

[00:59:23] Okay, because for my opinion

[00:59:26] I actually don't think a lot so from my experience talking to people who don't love K-pop or have to

[00:59:33] God into K-pop or a lot that actually is because they're like they're just dance troops

[00:59:40] You know, you know, that actually I think actually is

[00:59:44] Something that pizza don't connect yeah, too

[00:59:47] That's what we're seeing about the look at what kind of goes viral sometimes now

[00:59:51] It's actually not like Hilary Duff and her like really basic

[00:59:54] You know talking your about

[00:59:57] Like

[00:59:59] People don't need this crazy crazy

[01:00:03] Ness right yeah, this mission could have been an opportunity to actually do something that was a mix

[01:00:09] What even if you took the pussy got dolls kind of model and add

[01:00:14] When they're singing you know like they're singing at the rest of our dancing their asses off

[01:00:19] Yeah, you know, it's too still show off that ability and maybe the course and stuff

[01:00:23] You can happen go really all out with it. Yeah, but I think actually

[01:00:28] Western like

[01:00:29] That's what I was saying about us like the match on to like the

[01:00:32] Yeah, yeah

[01:00:36] A lot this is a lot like these videos. I think impressed the dancer in me

[01:00:41] But they don't really impress the pop fan in me

[01:00:45] And I think that's it is you

[01:00:48] I'm surprised they didn't actually try and

[01:00:52] I don't know if the whole point was to make a

[01:00:55] Western facing girl group that had framed in K-pop but you should also take into account why K-pop

[01:01:03] hasn't worked yet

[01:01:05] Overall, I don't know let's go hang on. We let the mic drop. Let's sizzle for a bit

[01:01:10] The mic's for it. Yeah, funny go off go anyway

[01:01:14] I thought confident was amazing

[01:01:15] I think all four of them did such a good job. I think marquee also really stepped up

[01:01:20] She did says well and I think she actually is one of the ones that

[01:01:24] Had a lot of potential yeah, oh for sure

[01:01:28] Yeah, they killed that I think just because he hated it

[01:01:33] He said to mention it. I didn't mention it if you didn't notice I mean because the song

[01:01:37] The people who choreograph this don't know

[01:01:40] The song and what it's really about I think and then the real like history of it because it shouldn't be this cute

[01:01:46] You'd see yeah

[01:01:48] I hated it. I hated it. I think the girls actually looks pretty good as a girl because you did have kind of a smaller framed

[01:01:56] Yeah together

[01:01:58] So Emily as well as some are like together. Yeah, they look really good

[01:02:02] Was sounded absolutely awful awful

[01:02:10] Like a genuist

[01:02:12] Was good I do wish that they again this is like the Western pot Santa me

[01:02:21] Like sing the chorus together

[01:02:22] Yeah

[01:02:24] All together do the call backs together

[01:02:27] Even if the call recorded at all at least melody and car meet with sing those parts

[01:02:33] You know yes, yes come on come on

[01:02:37] Because at least in want to be there were some harmonies like didn't want to be my love like they did a little bit of harmony there

[01:02:43] Group singing they cut it into Britney's beer song at that point because it's like they they feel like they made it

[01:02:48] The song is about getting smashed y'all. I don't think people realize that

[01:02:51] Like it's about getting laid. It's not about yeah, you might best friend like yeah

[01:02:57] It's interesting I think some opinions online saying that shuntons. I guess going viral because of like that

[01:03:03] The punchy and stuff actually was a big influence for who ended up getting in and like who became the framing and how they're gonna build the group and they were like okay

[01:03:12] Maybe fans want this kind of like hotter like yeah

[01:03:17] Which they're young but the slide

[01:03:19] Oh, yeah, yeah

[01:03:23] But I feel like you don't need to put that much weight on it cuz these tick-tuck trends don't

[01:03:28] I don't think they mean anything long term that move is just fun to do

[01:03:31] Like that's it. Yeah, yeah

[01:03:34] So yeah, I thought confident was the best one. Oh, I agree. I go back to that all of the time because Laura

[01:03:42] She is my faith

[01:03:43] Then just say she's my faith episode three when they said we need someone that's gonna fill stadium

[01:03:48] Yeah

[01:03:51] She's my favorite foreshore. I think she's also no she and Megan yeah, I agree Megan's up. Yeah

[01:03:58] Megan's been like the consistent like yeah, you know

[01:04:01] I've enjoyed them so he's great don't give you wrong with like those two of us you're like wow

[01:04:05] Yeah, okay, we'll talk more about the members

[01:04:07] Shortly because now the finale where they sing or perform Chelsea

[01:04:12] Some

[01:04:14] Richardville songs and they did girls don't like dirty water and yes all of them performed all the same

[01:04:22] Early fan voting occurred on weverse from November 10 to 17 and the live voting occurred for the first 30 minutes of the finale

[01:04:29] And again fan votes plus the panel of three high and get an executive

[01:04:34] is

[01:04:36] chose

[01:04:36] Made their choices and input of both label CEOs were also used to decide the winners and in the end

[01:04:44] Samara Emily as Rella and Marquis were eliminated and the final group was chosen

[01:04:50] So before we get to the final group. What did you think of the finale those songs and all that?

[01:04:57] Okay, so those oh my god those long terrible

[01:05:00] Yeah

[01:05:01] Okay, so I want to just put it out there

[01:05:05] Whoever wrote the song. I meant to look it up. Whoever wrote the song. I know you have better work

[01:05:09] I know you do

[01:05:10] I would say that right now

[01:05:12] I didn't like dirty water was not my favorite no

[01:05:16] I like the outfits of the silver

[01:05:21] Yeah, I pulled back for as Rella because during that whole performance she had what one of two lines and then it just kept going back to Samara and then Lara and

[01:05:29] Sophelia and everyone else and then she popped up in the middle to dance. It smells like damn interesting who

[01:05:35] Big who

[01:05:37] with

[01:05:38] But I will say overall though everyone seemed performance ready so just kind of before I go to the next song everyone's seen performance ready

[01:05:45] I didn't look at them and go oh my god how does she make it this far? I looked and was like okay

[01:05:49] I want to hear this girl why can I hear her the visuals were good the facials were there the movement seemed like you know

[01:05:56] Intact and and in sync attack in sync. I can appreciate that

[01:06:00] I see at their style to their personality types

[01:06:02] etc. Okay, I can appreciate that

[01:06:05] with um what's that song girls don't like that was a little bit more interesting to me

[01:06:11] Yeah, I like a little bit more than dirty water because I like the whole concept of girls not like in girls

[01:06:16] I don't like girls who like boys who like you know, I was I was okay. That one was catchy yeah. Yeah that part

[01:06:21] um

[01:06:23] Interestingly enough I

[01:06:25] Did not even realize that you and she had made it that far at that point when I was watching this you think like watched it

[01:06:31] But for some reason she never stood out

[01:06:34] And I think is because you have the lot you when you're in a group with song like Lara

[01:06:37] We're so like Sophia or next to someone like Megan or even Danny. Yeah, yeah

[01:06:43] And then you had a you and she and I even say the up and I young for a while and I was my pick

[01:06:48] I was like she doesn't make this group and then suddenly she's gone and then you say kind of it has an opportunity

[01:06:53] And that her being gone yeah, that's what happens

[01:06:56] So I noticed her a lot more in this performance and I was like oh yeah, nice Emily was the one I sat and thought

[01:07:01] Great dancer

[01:07:03] Nice fish weights

[01:07:05] Don't see her in this group when I was watching it happening Mark he's didn't stand out

[01:07:10] I don't know because she was wearing this leather vest

[01:07:12] Yeah, I was thinking about her just looked like she was part of a cover group dance team performance wasn't good

[01:07:18] Not at all I felt so back because I'm like why am I not connecting with you right now?

[01:07:23] Then everyone else I was like oh, they look good together. Yeah. Oh my gosh wow

[01:07:26] I liked you know things like that

[01:07:29] or those even though the first 30 minutes of that episode people were voting

[01:07:33] If people were allowed to vote while the performers were happening I could imagine how the numbers would have been going up and down because it's like

[01:07:40] Woo, I didn't notice you before suddenly

[01:07:43] This is your moment to shine so

[01:07:46] It's a shame for Marky and Emily but at that point it was like

[01:07:52] And so he was in this group yeah, I will say though at the end of everything

[01:07:57] I was a little surprised them and not

[01:08:00] and beat I was I wanted some more to be in the group

[01:08:05] But it wasn't where they're two kind of against each other at that point. They were right um I would say in terms of like

[01:08:12] The light skinned yes Afro girl they will quite different though they do but they have a similar kind of

[01:08:20] Not so wet yeah, like they're both caramel complexion. Yes, what can really sing and she's pretty she has a great pop vocal

[01:08:26] And you have one who's pretty has been a great pop vocal, but she's really pretty and you go back to the one that has the pop vocal

[01:08:32] Who is pretty but then has an internet issue

[01:08:35] Whereas she has opinions that don't really align with the general pop

[01:08:40] Where did those votes go because at first we love her. She's great. We love her. She's amazing and then suddenly something happened on the internet

[01:08:46] That should have all the fact

[01:08:49] Non as a not as relevant

[01:08:52] And I'm not sure if that was really the case but I remember like suddenly

[01:08:56] Samar was a really like getting the love that she was once getting by the time the finale

[01:09:01] Yeah, I don't know about that after the fact when I was just watching all this

[01:09:05] Samar I was also the most robbed. I think I have everyone yeah, I was pretty much agree with the whole group except for you and

[01:09:13] She I would say who interested? I just don't really feel like she gives the same energy

[01:09:19] The rest that made it in kind of have a similar like powerful I would say yeah and there's a

[01:09:27] Slight tomboyiousness

[01:09:29] There for them. Yep, you say does not have any of that

[01:09:33] So I think just from watching these final performances. I just cheat just didn't

[01:09:39] I don't know I would have given it to Samara. I get the issues now, but just absolutely totally yeah

[01:09:47] I will say all the same was giving me beauty patched like it was like that and that's continuedality

[01:09:56] I'm

[01:09:58] sorry that song was

[01:10:01] Revolve ball. I cannot believe that that was their final song

[01:10:06] Sorry, you know, you don't honestly though

[01:10:08] I think you could actually take before that were eliminated and they yeah, I'll be make a pretty good girl group

[01:10:13] It is all the smaller framed ones it is like Emily as relic and Mara

[01:10:17] I think Maraki actually is very good. I think she killed it in confident

[01:10:20] I think she just girls don't like but she's not a good moment for her no

[01:10:24] But I think if you wanted a more cute sea girl group, I think these four could

[01:10:28] Could do it but I get out like they're aesthetic together

[01:10:32] I think it kind of works in one of these for those three oh

[01:10:36] Yes, I think visual work. I think I think it works. I see your eyes it worked. Yeah, I see your plan

[01:10:41] But yeah, oh you know your you and Jay pick is interesting too. I don't get her

[01:10:45] Yeah, and now talking about the final lineup which is you and Jay Manon Sophia Danielle Megan and Laura

[01:10:51] I still think even watching stuff now

[01:10:54] I still think you and Jay doesn't really

[01:10:57] Work for me. You just energy-wise and it doesn't help but they've turned her into like this weird or she's part of this weird Laura

[01:11:03] She's like missing

[01:11:06] What did that

[01:11:08] Why did you want to that like they should show you needy like why is one of them randomly missing

[01:11:13] I don't know if who is thicker in the eye because I know Megan wasn't some

[01:11:17] She's in school so they're like we have all these extra shots

[01:11:19] We need to do like it will just make up some more that she's missing

[01:11:23] Probably oh goodness

[01:11:25] Oh no, but yes as you mentioned those are the girls or a chosen for the final lineup

[01:11:30] I know but now with Sasha you made it too. I'm gonna be wrote you use your socks face

[01:11:33] She's like you know

[01:11:35] I mean anyone would be surprised and honored to find out they were selected for a group

[01:11:41] Oh yeah, I mean after long two year process

[01:11:43] That's a lot especially when you're that young and that's a long long time. Yes. I mean I was joking

[01:11:49] I mean obviously she definitely

[01:11:50] um

[01:11:52] Dot-end she did

[01:11:54] I will say definitely the deserve it but she earned her place. I will say she earned it

[01:11:59] Yeah, so yeah, I mean

[01:12:02] You're hilarious in terms of saying that you can say this if that and I think they're doing a work around now in terms of

[01:12:10] Their personality because each girl and cat's eye

[01:12:12] What's I think was a cute name because what was the other choices?

[01:12:15] Oh, yeah, they were terrible garbage. I even want to think about it. Yeah, I don't even know right now

[01:12:18] Yeah, I'm all right now. But yeah, I think now the cat's eye their whole thing is that each girl has a charm

[01:12:25] um

[01:12:26] And a literal charm to match their charm right where like what I find at that right and they've given her something that was soft and sweet

[01:12:33] They they she she gives them like she grounds them she gives them something like a balance

[01:12:38] See in whatever I forgot what her little charm was but it fits her temperament

[01:12:42] What's I appreciate?

[01:12:44] Even the way they dress her is a little bit more I mean obviously because she is one of the other girls

[01:12:48] But it's a little more modest and I appreciate that so everyone now in this group has a

[01:12:54] Spot a slot a personality. I think with you and take for me

[01:12:58] She's able to turn it on when she performs with them. I was watching their

[01:13:03] Hey, comfort performance and she's in the center for their debut like the la la and she turns it on

[01:13:09] She'll give you a little eyebrow. She'll give you the whole little like, you know confident like little headbang

[01:13:14] She can hold her own when she's surrounded by them

[01:13:17] I think when they're interacting there is a bit of a disconnect because maybe her English has gotten better

[01:13:22] But there is like a personal like I in this kind of girl

[01:13:25] This is how I am

[01:13:27] Very kind of idly

[01:13:29] Like

[01:13:31] Yes, this is my group members and my coworkers

[01:13:34] I was expecting my coworkers are very talented. Yeah, I got that feeling

[01:13:38] Sister not really getting just yet, but I mean it's kind of understandable as well

[01:13:43] That might be some cultural things that she's not really lived meshing with or maybe by now

[01:13:47] It's gotten a lot better because it has been such a long time for they work together

[01:13:50] But I can I get I did get the coworker vibe like I like my coworker vibe from her for a little bit

[01:13:57] I do wonder what would have happened to the group had some our half made it

[01:14:01] Because then you would have had like a bunch of vocalists in this group

[01:14:04] Yeah, but she was a weaker dancer. Not a huge of a deal, but she also had a knee injury. Oh my god

[01:14:09] Yeah, I wonder how the injury actually played into it as well. Yeah, oh big yeah, but yeah

[01:14:15] I feel like now just like looking at them performance stuff like that together

[01:14:20] Nune Chai has stepped up to the play in terms of matching their fierceness

[01:14:23] I think she'll ever be as torrosious as like

[01:14:26] Lara or like as you know

[01:14:30] I don't intend says make it be or it defy re as Daniela

[01:14:33] But Sophia also kind of has like this watery kind of I'm using elements to describe them

[01:14:38] You know water kind of crashes and flows of fear is like the crash you inflow it and you can taste kind of like airy

[01:14:44] So I guess I'm type of sense they all have

[01:14:47] Something that makes them charming to this group it makes sense

[01:14:51] Yeah, I think she fits now, but I kind of understand you're like initials

[01:14:56] Yeah, I don't know I still fully

[01:14:59] See it. I don't know maybe she could hear though it'll be a little easier. Oh, Valor

[01:15:04] She's like 16 she could yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah all right so cats. I did release their first project

[01:15:11] Yes, or sis yes just soft as strong yes in August the 2024 and this had debut touch my way

[01:15:19] I'm pretty and tonight I might yeah, so what did you think overall

[01:15:24] Of this project this was the most unremarkable projects for a group that they've spent so much money in time and energy on

[01:15:31] I might be nice to buy like the songs are nice to songs are pleasant

[01:15:35] But anyone could have made these songs something about these songs give me cats eye nothing about it is like

[01:15:41] Lara produces and song rights and nothing about it feels like she had a hand in it

[01:15:45] I know Ryan Teder did debut

[01:15:48] And I like how fierce this but why in the Lord's name

[01:15:52] Whatever Lord you believe in

[01:15:55] Would y'all sit there and have singers like Lara Manan and Megan who is a good buffer

[01:16:01] Singer yeah, she's a good singer figure she's a good singer

[01:16:04] She's like oh my god amazing she can belt her face off but you give her a note the girls on hit it

[01:16:09] Why not have them sing the bridge I said that during our pop-off

[01:16:13] couple weeks ago

[01:16:15] And then it was crazy there's a video of all three of those girls that I just mentioned harmonizing together

[01:16:21] In my way yeah, and I'm like where are the bridges on this album that show that these girls can sing because y'all made them

[01:16:29] Sing major air quotes on the show and again

[01:16:33] I think

[01:16:34] K-pop's biggest issue or like

[01:16:37] This group's biggest issue is going to be the fact that they're K-pop adjacent

[01:16:41] They show when K-pop search engines

[01:16:43] They show with the metadata for K-pop

[01:16:46] They're not even being pushed to Western music like why they're songs not being promoted here

[01:16:50] Why are they not having like a little meat and greet around the states? Why is it only in California?

[01:16:56] Why are they only doing what is going on

[01:16:58] Why is there no Western push why they're not performing at the VMAs but let's say where if him is

[01:17:04] You know things like that so for me. I just feel like the songs are not bad. They have pretty moments

[01:17:10] Wow, she sounds really pretty here

[01:17:11] But nothing that was outstanding and I know it sounds super negative

[01:17:14] I'm just a little disappointed because these girls just have a little bit better

[01:17:18] And I'm hoping that by the time second album rolls around

[01:17:22] something

[01:17:24] Worth while will be on it for their first project. I hope they're very proud of it

[01:17:29] But I know they can do better and I know that they know they can do better

[01:17:32] So why not give them better give them stronger? Yeah, oh, it's okay, but just this is faceless

[01:17:39] I think debut definitely has

[01:17:41] If you're a sister that expected from this group I think that she has kind of the first track

[01:17:46] It feels right

[01:17:48] Like I don't I think it's mildly annoying just personally just my own taste

[01:17:52] But it feels authentic to them

[01:17:56] Touch you know we ever thought it's in the pop-offs. I'll go check that out if you want

[01:18:00] Still love the dance routine, but yeah, just

[01:18:03] Doesn't give me the full

[01:18:04] Kleinex than I want yeah, yeah, but yeah, I agree with you the whole project is just a bit

[01:18:10] boring

[01:18:11] Sun remarkable feels generic it feels safe nothing stands out about it like there's nothing in there

[01:18:17] That may see you want to listen to it again. Yeah, not all yeah and of course again

[01:18:21] And I said this a lot about hive in general the way they produce the vocals

[01:18:25] This

[01:18:26] None of the tones stand out at all. I can barely tell who is singing. Yeah, I could be listening to anyone

[01:18:32] Like there's just nothing about it that let me want to

[01:18:36] Doesn't do it. I will say just listening through the project tonight. I might

[01:18:40] Just have some interesting melodies in there so at least parked my ears like a little bit

[01:18:44] Yeah, but the rest is just

[01:18:47] It's so boring. There's just no statement in there. I don't know all like this. It's your sound

[01:18:53] Like what are you trying to go for like I just don't get it like do your research like fifth harming or not a good example

[01:18:59] You know how to establish a girl group go to middle mix go to girls loud go to flow go to

[01:19:07] Pussycat dolls. Yeah go to flow like

[01:19:10] They did such a good job in those first like three or four singles to establish with they were about and then you can kind of branch off after that

[01:19:16] Yes, kind of established your your main

[01:19:19] Solid kind of core fan base. Yeah, but you need to make a statement in the beginning and

[01:19:25] That spice girls all saints like even even all the way back. You know like dusty child

[01:19:29] Yeah TLC like they really made a statement with those first couple songs yes

[01:19:36] And this just makes no impact

[01:19:39] Don't get it. I don't understand what they and are was going for here like

[01:19:45] None of what what are these were these even sent to radio like

[01:19:49] That's what I'm saying but the marketing was like I already were relying on TikTok

[01:19:54] To be fair touch I have seen

[01:19:57] Everywhere and I've seen a lot of random people like doing the dance, you know

[01:20:01] I know some people that do it too. Yeah, yeah, uh, still not enough though

[01:20:04] Variety is not

[01:20:07] Longjewy not at all we taught you said it earlier you said it earlier and here it is making it's combat

[01:20:12] Right exactly so look I'm here. I will definitely support them. Yeah, just curious was gonna happen

[01:20:17] I think there's so much potential there's so much talent here yet

[01:20:21] But yeah, I need you to pull up like I just don't know if the demand is really there inherently or a

[01:20:29] Girl group like this

[01:20:31] I mean it could be if the music was outstanding and that's the thing you're supposed to be

[01:20:36] Like a pop at you don't realize like here in the West we like individual

[01:20:41] Lism so if you have a group you better make themselves super individually

[01:20:43] But the way yeah, that's the way they are now

[01:20:46] Yeah, yeah

[01:20:47] Really see the appeal or who are trying to appeal to

[01:20:52] Kpop fans

[01:20:54] Which is not great no, which is not good. No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's why me funny

[01:20:59] I don't think people realize that Kpop and Korea

[01:21:03] She's not that pop. Yeah, I'm sorry. I was like you can't see my hand if you're listening

[01:21:07] But I want like straight past like it's a flat line. It's like okay

[01:21:11] Knowing Justin Bieber or knowing something like oh my god

[01:21:15] This is like the best thing to us as a bright Western fans or not Korean fans it's niche

[01:21:20] It's special oh my god, my unicorn no one listens to this. I want to appreciate it. Yeah, yeah

[01:21:25] Okay, kind of special but in the grand scheme of music country music rap music this is alternative pop music that is king right now

[01:21:34] Yeah, that's it

[01:21:36] Maybe in the UK you like get a go group. They be they have two grogrics are kind of pop prevalent right now

[01:21:41] In the UK but like here in the West and unless you have something like amazing going on

[01:21:46] Or like lean a little bit more toward R&B

[01:21:49] You gonna have a horror time all hard hard time yeah, so

[01:21:54] I do hope that

[01:21:56] Whoever at highman geffen

[01:21:58] Is picking up these songs they actually stop trying to appeal to a demographic that I mean they just didn't want to appeal to a younger audience

[01:22:07] I did it say that I get it

[01:22:10] But with the way you're dressing these girls at the age of these girls are

[01:22:14] They're gonna want to sing a little bit more

[01:22:17] Than touch touch touch debut. They might want to sing about falling in love falling out of love

[01:22:23] Just being really hot people one day and you can't say they'll be can't sing that because our demographics 13 14 15 16 so I'm hoping that they find as balance of

[01:22:33] Presenting

[01:22:33] Thurosity

[01:22:35] But also and and keep up like hey pop influence but also being able to be like this isn't awesome

[01:22:40] Son like a standalone on its own without the visual without choreography

[01:22:44] It's just a damn good song and I think it's got to be it shouldn't be hard

[01:22:49] To do

[01:22:49] It just depends on their intentions

[01:22:51] But to shout out to those girls

[01:22:52] Hopefully they get a chance to actually write their own music because you have a group of talented girls who can write in saying

[01:22:58] So hopefully they'll get a chance to actually in

[01:23:00] Contribute to their own project

[01:23:02] Yeah, the next time they come out with something which will probably be in freaking never year

[01:23:07] Yeah, I mean I think actually just think about it

[01:23:10] I think little makes are actually great

[01:23:12] Kind of base to look at yeah wings

[01:23:15] I think it does appeal to kind of a younger crowd demographic so there is still like an edge too

[01:23:21] But it's still

[01:23:23] Like very bright. Yeah, and then they did show a bit more later

[01:23:28] I'm still felt quite young

[01:23:30] Yeah, in the beginning

[01:23:32] So

[01:23:33] Wow, I shoot if we had an opportunity to put a little group to you

[01:23:36] I mean you

[01:23:37] You know what guys this way you should watch our interview with men

[01:23:41] Because we talked about this and why it's so important to have the right team around you and having

[01:23:46] People choose music free that's relevant to leave you eyes and art is in what you want to portray

[01:23:50] So check that out and definitely check out our pop up episode where we talk about cats eye touch

[01:23:55] That was a fun episode as well

[01:23:59] Hi guys

[01:23:59] Quick update from us from the future

[01:24:03] Or the past depending on what the video gets released at the point is

[01:24:07] Cats that has been performing in Kodiya

[01:24:10] So they've done music bankiki guy

[01:24:12] Yeah, and the long performances to watch and judge

[01:24:15] Yeah, yes

[01:24:17] And

[01:24:18] Has your mind changed all because I think I stand by what I said about you and she turns on for this group

[01:24:23] Okay, no, I see it. I see

[01:24:25] I will actually say in general these performances are so much better

[01:24:29] Yeah, yeah, yeah

[01:24:30] ones yeah a lot more comfortable

[01:24:34] Yeah, I agree with you and chase you and chase getting better

[01:24:38] Yeah, she's the young one but she holds her oh I think that idol training definitely helps because she definitely yeah

[01:24:44] I think for some reason I just felt she just gave different energy then the others

[01:24:50] But I'm on the show performances and it might be down to the just the way these performances are produced and filmed and everything as well

[01:24:57] But no, she definitely seems to just kind of be on the same level

[01:25:01] Yeah, performance is now which is good. Yeah, we love a good growth moment

[01:25:05] Oh, we love it. It's best in even manana. I'm very happy to see that she's clocked in for work

[01:25:10] Yes, and the mics are on the back and track is still more on

[01:25:16] But

[01:25:17] That's progress. That's progress. Give us an acoustic next please. Oh, yes. I'm still again

[01:25:23] I called it Megan and Sophia and Lara are the vocal vocal line and they post something on their Instagram

[01:25:30] So I'm give me all six they can obviously do the chorus together

[01:25:34] I don't care about the vocal line the dance line they are they are saying ours

[01:25:40] No, they're dancers of words to keep

[01:25:43] That I will never let go, but yes, yeah, we're I'm impressed by the newer performances for sure

[01:25:48] So absolutely I need to see where they go and stay tuned to our channel because for sure as they release more music

[01:25:55] We will be discussing and reacting. Oh, absolutely

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