Pop Off: TWICE vs LE SSERAFIM vs NCT WISH (February 2024 Comebacks)

[00:00:00] Vera discretion is advised your fave will be criticized. That's Chris, that's Chantel and this is CCTV The Nonstop Pop Show and it's time for the February 2024 K-pop pop-off. Here on CCTV Chris and I have the inside scoop with extensive experience performing on stage

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[00:00:31] Lily, Louis, Emily and Juliet. Yeah and so we thought it would be a really fun idea to start bringing some guest hosts for some of our episodes and we are so excited to have with us today

[00:00:43] Emily of the K-pop Weekly podcast welcome thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me I'm so excited to be here this is going to be fun. Yes we have loved your previous

[00:00:55] show the NYC K-pop Queens and we're so glad you decided to continue so tell us about your show and also just how you got into K-pop as well. Thank you so much I love that you listen to

[00:01:04] New York City K-pop Queens I did that for three years with my co-host Charity. Charity retired and I couldn't stay away I love K-pop so much I was like I have to start a new show

[00:01:15] so my show now is called the K-pop Weekly podcast with Emily Mallon you guys can find it everywhere it's on every audio platform and also on YouTube so check out the YouTube channel yeah I got into

[00:01:27] K-pop like a lot of people I feel like it's the most cliche story because it was BTS. I was writing for an entertainment blog covering pop culture and I was covering the American Music Awards

[00:01:39] in 2017 so that's when BTS it was the biggest deal and I kept being like who's BTS I thought it was cool I thought I knew everything about music and I was all of a sudden like BTS are like the

[00:01:51] hottest thing here and I had you know a mixed reaction I watched the performance and I think I felt like a lot of people do when they're exposed to K-pop for the first time you know you

[00:02:01] have this feeling of this is so different there's no way they're singing live this is so different and halfway through it I was like this is the best thing I've ever seen it was DNA and I

[00:02:12] was obsessed and then I did you know I want to know their names let me check out a few music videos tonight and that was it I fell into the hole and I became a huge army but pretty quickly I became

[00:02:23] a Maltai so the next group was Monsta X and CT 127 yeah and then then I really got into XO so I'm a huge Maltai yeah yes yes yes my favorite groups are like Monsta X the straight kids and CT 127

[00:02:40] XO on the girl side I like girl's generation they're like my queens oh yes um I like Aspa but I like a little bit of everything there's a lot of young boy groups I'm really into right now

[00:02:53] so I love K-pop nice we love that okay guys so that being said we put up a poll on Patreon Twitter and YouTube at CCTV Pops and you all voted for three of K-pop's biggest releases of February

[00:03:08] 2024 to battle it out on our pop off segment where we will discuss and compare the songs videos performances and everything in between all right that being said as well this is pure fun

[00:03:21] don't take it so seriously or do drop it in the comments and let us know what wins for you all okay keep it clean yes so this month you voted for Lissera Femes easy twice's one spark and

[00:03:34] NCT wishes wish so let's get ready to rumble round one round one it's all about the song itself the production the vocals the melody the composition player one and starting with

[00:03:51] player one we have Lissera Femes with easy which was done by Sean Turk Kache Kido AI Joseph Berrios Alex Fernandez Jordan Smith Hadar Adora Supreme Boy Hitman Bang and score and Megaton of 13

[00:04:07] that's a lot of people for this song that's a lot a lot of songwriters yeah so writing this maybe was not so easy I guess so Emily why don't you start us off I know you actually reviewed this on

[00:04:22] your show as well what do you think of the song okay it's not my favorite I don't hate I don't dislike it I think the song's fine it's kind of this like 90s R&B B side track I think it threw

[00:04:36] me off a bit because their singles have been so dynamic like really dynamic powerful title tracks this was different this was a choice they're trying something else I don't think it's bad

[00:04:49] I like the song it works okay for me but it's a little short it kind of doesn't go anywhere it's too short for me I like you I was like there's 10 songwriters on this one how that's a

[00:05:03] lot of songwriters I'm not sure a song like this needed 10 songwriters is it the recorder part is that what took that many songwriters that recorder at the beginning that recorder y'all like

[00:05:19] it's one of the most annoying things I've ever heard and I I don't know it was like they they listed said 127 sticker and they're like let's do that but something that's even more annoying than

[00:05:31] that flute and no hate on sticker I actually like sticker it after a few listens I was like this first slaps this is a great song but the beginning of this one with that like recorder intro I don't

[00:05:42] know why that's there and I really disliked it so that kind of took me out the song again it's a B side it's like a tenashi B side that's fine if that's what they're going for I guess a

[00:05:54] western 90s R&B sound it's okay that was so valid I was listening to T-NASA this week the BB angel experience right exactly that's what I thought the second I heard it I was like

[00:06:08] nice this somebody on tenashi's projects like that's my my immediate thought was like okay and anyone being good like tenashi does this I think alright that works I mean it's fine for a B side

[00:06:19] like middle of the album mm-hmm oh valid that you know um I got a little bit the Kremone because you know yeah if you listen into the seraphim's like discovery they got

[00:06:30] comparisons to cobra Rosalia in the past and even with the easy intro leading into this song it sounded like Olivia Rodrigo and unfortunately they've gotten into this like weird kind of space where they're getting trendy songs from other people that don't actually have a sound of their

[00:06:48] own lyrically speaking they can describe themselves or at least the lyricists can describe themselves as like this is the seraphim they've been do this they've they're these kind of girls but we don't know what these girls sound like actually is because I mean Victoria Monet's

[00:07:03] All My Mama was everywhere yes you know the same way like John was everywhere or like South Korea All My Mama Oh my god yeah love that song so I wouldn't be surprised if a brief said

[00:07:15] something in the vein of Victoria Monet inspired so I think that is kind of what's happening with them even what's smart people heard the Amapiano and thought high luck yeah personally they're getting stuck in this little bag of yeah they can dance and sing but is it their

[00:07:31] sound uh so I think I agree with you in that sense where it's just like it does sound like a little middle of the road kind of album track it's just tough um but lyrically I think it does

[00:07:44] maintain their group aesthetic like the visual the concept of the group of being like you know grace under fire you know not looking like there's struggles because me honey I'm the first person

[00:07:55] that'd be like I'd be going through but you will never know we'll never know and that's what the song is about um so I definitely do appreciate it but yeah no I mean it's for maybe for people

[00:08:07] like us who listens to music outside of kpop it's nothing like specially like wow but for a lot of young kpop fans who really don't have a sphere of influence outside of kpop or maybe just like

[00:08:18] their reference was like like a tape mccrae or blah blah blah just young pop artists and not like throwback pop and r&b artists they're like oh my god this is special this is different for

[00:08:27] the kpop landscape you know i'm saying the scouts say for them it's like wow this is so you know but it's a decent song but I think you're right with the dynamism missing for sure like a little switch up here and there in the production something like

[00:08:42] like Chris what did you think about the production because you know you hear the drums and it sounds really trappy like what did you think it was fine like it really does just sound

[00:08:50] like what you said like they were given this brief of that list of western songs and they wanted to seem cool and they were like just copy all of that like I'm sure if we searched hard enough

[00:08:59] we could find a bunch of songs that also have a distorted recorder or flute in there yeah you know yes so it's just a bit faceless and even vocally I cannot tell any of these girls apart

[00:09:11] like it's the processing like I get it like the autotune makes sense I guess with this type of song but it's just and they're supposed to sing it in this lazy way quote unquote

[00:09:22] but it's just there's just no interesting tones in there like it's just not very captivating in any way I do think it does I view as you include it in kind of just their overall discography I guess

[00:09:35] it does bring something new to it especially if you don't really listen to those artists in the west yeah and it is risky for a k-pop title track because it doesn't have the energy and kind of chaos

[00:09:46] of a normal k-pop title track so I appreciate it in that it's a risk in that way but the actual song itself is not a risk right yeah I do have to say I liked the drum and bass remix

[00:09:57] on the remix EP they put out that was much cooler and it had a much more like and more of a roller coaster effect to it because there's just a lot more interesting things going on yeah so I kind of

[00:10:09] wish they just went with that but but yeah I don't think I'll be returning to this one much honestly yeah and that being said on to player two and that's twice with one spark player two

[00:10:23] and it was done by Kyler Nico, Sam Ungi, Irritac, Melanie Joy Pantana, Paulina Serilla and Lu these names are all a mix of me yeah I will say this sounds exactly just how how I expected it to

[00:10:40] so you can either take that as a good thing or a bad thing depending on I guess how you see twice as an artist is there any artistic growth or anything here no is it on par with previous

[00:10:53] title tracks yes so I think if you're already a twice fan this will be great for you but it's not going to do anything to convert any new fans I don't think but as a casual twice fan who likes

[00:11:07] maybe half of their title tracks I actually do like the song I think the melody is super nice it's very warm I like the structure of it the production is very sparkly glittery kind of what

[00:11:17] you want from this kind of like more princessy kind of vibe that the twice just tends to have there are some really nice backing vocals as well throughout the whole song which is what I picked

[00:11:27] up because I think in general twice isn't never really has very dynamic backing vocals but this one has some really nice harmonies actually of course they don't sing them live but at least

[00:11:36] they're there um and yeah so overall I like it but it just feels more of the same like yeah like I don't like listening to a full twice like playlist or something I don't think this would necessarily

[00:11:50] stand out but it's not a bad song I will say though one part that really annoys me the last line like just the acapella nion just ending the chorus yeah why is she belting it

[00:12:04] why is she belting it like give us like give us something soft you know like yeah it just it's just a lot like with JYP in general there's always just like two tones there's like you belt as loud as

[00:12:16] you can or you go super soft and breathy and there's like no in between I don't know what that is yeah melisma yeah anyway Emily how about you are you a twice fan

[00:12:28] I'm first of all all of that was so valid I'm over here like nodding my head off to everything you guys are saying yes um I would say I'm a fan of twice but I don't stand twice so I I'm kind of middle

[00:12:43] of the road um I think what they do they do very well they do it well and they've been doing it a long time I agree with you this song to me just about like this is what I expect which isn't a

[00:12:54] bad thing I don't think it's their best title track I actually really liked the pre-release I thought I got you was interesting there were a lot more dynamics there that were different for twice

[00:13:05] and that actually emotionally resonated with me when that chorus came in the belting works and I was like oh wow this song this one was the chorus is catchy the production's very bright you

[00:13:16] know synth heavy it's twice it's what you expect um I'm with you I'm not gonna listen to this 24-7 it's not going to stand out on twice playlist but I think the chorus like my heart is burning

[00:13:30] that's catchy that stuck in my head and they all do a good job with what they're given you know with twice I do recognize their voices now I've listened to that and reviewed them so much compared to Lesserfee you recognize different voices there's at least some different tones

[00:13:45] and dynamics coming in which I appreciate um the twice song that like got me was I can't stop me do you guys remember I can't stop yeah that's our title track that was my title track that I finally

[00:13:58] like got it with twice I had been reviewing them for a while I was like that one I thought was just killer and that's kind of my standard for twice like isn't this is it this every time there's a

[00:14:10] new review I'm like it's not quite there we did quite get there this one I think is okay it's fine it's it is what it is not as interesting you said it because when they that's what that was like

[00:14:21] they're what they're grown woman single right yes right Melanie Joy also wrote that she's been writing for them for like every comeback almost now if I'm yeah almost every company yeah yeah actually um I said moonlight and sunrise I think that was what quit citizen queen right like

[00:14:37] a rapper from there oh yeah yeah but yeah I think there's been a little bit of like the ones don't really care for the Lindgren team they're they're a married couple that produce and

[00:14:49] sing uh write for twice and they're like oh man it's gonna sound like this is gonna sound like that's gonna sound too retro it's gonna be like this is gonna sound like but I don't think kpop

[00:14:57] fans like really understand that a lot of these songwriters and these groups don't really have much of a say unless there is maybe someone who works with them really closely or is in the group

[00:15:07] that can compose for them and then even still with twice they'll end up having a song they've written as a b side or like as like a concert performance this is coming from a I'm a stan anyway so

[00:15:22] but the point is is like Melanie Joy's gotten a lot of backlash from this and I'm just like it's not fair because unfortunately this is now twice's sound JYP is known for having the retro sound

[00:15:33] from the Wonder Girls miss a 2 p.m even dot seven straight kids notwithstanding because they have three of them for them that like that produce but for the rest of the trusty the girl groups

[00:15:45] retro is the sound so if going back to the same thing about the brief and if they're getting a brief saying can you recreate the magic for this group even it's like oh I feel almost like

[00:15:56] bad for the lingering team in terms of like how many times can you reinvent the wheel like they put glitter on it they've put like platinum on it so you know they've tried so many times to try

[00:16:06] to reinvent the wheel and the songs are consistent you know I'm saying so hopefully in the future they'll get a brief or get an assignment from JYP that says gives twice something really nice

[00:16:16] because set me free for me I like it a little bit more than this because it had a little bit more cooler sound with that like bouncy bassy synth I was like oh this is nice and this song isn't bad

[00:16:27] but I think I like the verses more the girls are singing in their range thank goodness like I think that's another another like benefit of having Melanie Joy she's not singing like in like Korean pop

[00:16:39] girl vocal you know because JYP makes his singer sing way too like to lie to I consistently const and so this is like really satisfactory in terms of a retro track I think the pre-hooks bass

[00:16:53] drum and the second verse is with the 808 with the slight track breakdown kind of galvanizes the song a little bit more there's a lot of just interesting percussive instruments that are going on that kind of help me get through it but yeah it is tough listening to

[00:17:09] another retro track I'm not gonna I'm not saying the ones that are wrong but it's also not Lindgren team's fault um lyrically the songs about love can be switched over to twice's career

[00:17:18] love that for them they're pretty consistent um but yeah nothing really stands out except maybe like vocally Jungyeon Da Yeon and Sana in that second chorus favorite vocal iteration of that because

[00:17:30] Jungyeon has a great open beltie voice Da Yeon can handle falsettos really well and Sana has finally figured out that her voice is mixed and they let her sing in that little range and it sounds good

[00:17:42] so yeah I'm happy in terms of like the vocal performance some type of production switch up but that is kind of just sitting in that okay you mean something else I know you got it in you

[00:17:54] you know in that realm I don't know what that's called but I just wait for that to you can't be like mad at the song it's like oh this is horrible you can't be mad at it

[00:18:05] yes like oh just waiting for something else yeah yeah well moving on we have a new group we have the final group for the NCT family it's no longer infinite expansion they're done we have

[00:18:21] NCT wish with their track wish player three and this one was done by kenzie h toiyo sake dress honseo george gershwin ira gershwin and john john jane so shantel what do you think of NCT wish wow gershwin amazing um yeah imagine are they descendants why do you imagine

[00:18:48] um if y'all don't know you better go google um but yeah so okay I have to be honest I'm so glad the NCT like the reincarnations are being stopped because it's like the avatar it's like we don't need

[00:19:00] a new one every generation we're good um but this one I am so glad that they are using vocals as the forefront to their performance because what ended up happening with NCT is that now

[00:19:14] like we said it on our xo pop on 101 you knew xo if you knew bekyun dio you know what i'm saying you know NCT you know mark peyong yeah with this group now they can actually sing and people

[00:19:25] can be like oh my god was that one I was singing in this part and I appreciate that so much and it no friends I love rap look at me wrong like hello but at the same time please give me vocals and they

[00:19:37] gave me this thankfully I will say I don't care for them processing on the vocals the mix on it is funky but but but but luckily they actually sound pretty good um I will say like in terms of

[00:19:50] the dynamics of the song this is the most roller coaster we got out of all three the intro into the verse is so jarring because at first I was like god if I get one more yell-e chante hip hop and it

[00:20:02] switched and I was like okay so for me I feel like the intro sounds like an album intro into the main event of it you know um also this song does an amalgamation of so many different like

[00:20:14] black genres like it's jazzy with the chords and it reminded me of attention for a second but it doesn't stay around for too long right because you have the the horns and then wiry synth

[00:20:25] and it doesn't feel so derivative so kudos to them for being like listen they're on our asses right now make it make it make it tap make us a duplicate but not making it so copy copy um like it sounds

[00:20:37] like jazz boom bap hip hop there's a little new jack swing drum right before the chorus comes in there's funk in there and I wasn't overwhelmed where I was like oh my god not y'all throw

[00:20:47] everything in the black kitchen sink you know you guys know oh yeah okay I was like because we could have gone so many different ways and you know sm is not afraid of a little like genre

[00:21:02] origin you know they're not so I really do appreciate the the usage of all those genres and like marry them together nicely the chorus melody ear candy um the love the harmonies in

[00:21:13] the beginning it reminded me of a seedy wonder song I can't think of it is what it the oh yeah can't remember the song but it reminds you of that the lyrics are self-referential love that

[00:21:24] and also again love the vocals that they're actually singing I think that the yeah yeah yeah bridge was a little lazy but interesting because a guy can sing his face off it was so lazy

[00:21:34] but hashtag bring back vocals in kpop I'm not mad yes solid solid song yeah that's yes I agree with you so yeah vocally I said the same thing about that processing

[00:21:46] why did they do that they did not need to do that um you know I I always kind of have a soft spot for sm because I like the more kind r&b soul influence that a lot of sm songs have

[00:21:58] and in their vocal training as well and you can hear it with them as well but due to the whatever processing is on there you don't get that as much as you should I think so

[00:22:07] it sounds more robotic than it should um but yeah you know I think I like nct I definitely was getting overwhelmed by how many there were so I am also glad that it's over again though just

[00:22:20] like the last song this kind of sounds exactly how I expected it would and again you can take that as a good thing or a bad thing because I think if you love the nct family I think this

[00:22:32] is safe in that it should work kind of for if you're already a fan yeah because it kind of sounds like what nct dream could do if they launch now really yeah okay and so yeah I like the song

[00:22:44] itself I think I like the youthfulness of it um the production's very lush very full and yeah there's a lot going on but it's not overwhelming um so yeah I like it but overall I just don't

[00:22:56] fully see why they are even needed to be honest like if you didn't have that nct kind of chant that signature chant self-reference like self french-french sing themselves this could be a rise song yeah

[00:23:09] yeah like I just don't really get the point like melodically it could be a song for one of the other units too so yeah I don't know I just don't fully get it but like they're very very talented

[00:23:19] and and I'm excited to see how they grow like as performers but I just think it's like already won too many but I guess they were already in the making so it was too late yeah contracts bro they signed their lives away yeah exactly exactly we're gonna debut

[00:23:35] well and also they're like the japanese subunit that's a whole marketing thing it's a whole market so they had let's do japan nct yeah I get it but I think it's interesting what you brought up that

[00:23:48] it could be a rise song I almost feel like rise to me sounds more nct than nct wish I feel like this group brought kind of a fresh different almost more restrained for lack of a

[00:24:02] better word um it didn't have like the chaos that a dream song has and I mean that in the best way yeah but there was something here in the production that was a little bit different for me

[00:24:12] I love the 90s vibe yeah I almost felt like you brought up new jack sling I hear that's so strong and this the stevie wonder influence there's some horns that I love yeah when that start happened

[00:24:24] with that intro that is a little jarg I went straight to like boys to men motown belly I get this I get this and I'm here for this and then I loved the switch up there was something

[00:24:36] so refreshing and bright that I wasn't expecting so I liked this more than I thought I would I was really like oh wow um vocal layering I think worked but that processing I totally hear what you're

[00:24:49] saying these guys can sing they can sing and like you I love SM groups I definitely I hate saying I'm a stan of a label because the business side of that label is a mess oh yeah

[00:25:01] but talent wise I tend to always vibe with what they do because I like vocals I like R&B they can sing I mean that's not ridiculous to have to say but we're at a point in kpop where

[00:25:17] a lot of groups can sing you're watching dance troops that lip sync that's right I'm not really into that that's not my vibe so I'm always going to favor and be excited about groups that can

[00:25:28] sing and I'm so happy that they're debuting yet another group that can actually sing there's vocalists on this group you could tell I like this song I I liked it and I think it's hard when you're

[00:25:39] debuting a very young group to not be overly cutesy yeah and I think they tell the line really well here yeah it still felt like age appropriate and young and fun but it wasn't that like nauseating

[00:25:52] cutesy thing that you see sometimes with younger kpop groups that's not my vibe I'm never excited about that I think we're too old for that we're too old like honestly like I'm too old but

[00:26:03] like really cute schoolboy thing I can only take over this much of it and definitely with the sound I am not I can't go there so I actually liked this song I thought that this was refreshing and

[00:26:15] bright and a little bit different I was like not what I expected I think they they're carving a little bit of a different sound here I'm here for wish nice I love it well that ends round one

[00:26:28] so it's time to choose a winner so Chantel what wins the song round for you I don't know if it was obvious but like NCT wishes song and I'm so surprised I liked it because I'm not gonna hold you

[00:26:39] I heard the serif in with else and they're like yeah I'm doing doing a little he'll tell us like about you know I grew up with this but NCT wish had all had all of that and more and

[00:26:49] actually put the good put together a good song and saying basis all so NCT wish okay Emily how about you it's so funny because I'm right there with you I felt the same way like easy again that's my vibe

[00:27:04] you know I'm doing like body rolls to it I'm like oh yeah I feel you I got this but the NCT wish song it's kind of everything I want in a kpop song if I'm listening to a kpop song we had

[00:27:15] the dynamic switch ups we had vocals NCT wish okay nice I will actually also choose NCT wish as well I don't love it I don't think as much as the two of you but I do like it more than the other two

[00:27:36] so now we're going to go to round you y'all and this is the music video section Ah, finally holiday soon relax but first you have to come to the airport early in the morning

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[00:28:03] comfortable and comfortable with the uber app uber means drive and is not a seller the round two player one is the seraphim Emily, what do you think of the video? I liked the video more than my initial thoughts on the song. I will say that.

[00:28:23] I think if you're a fan, you're going to love the video because they look gorgeous and I thought it was smart that they really focused on performance to me this is a group that when I watch their live performances when I watch them at the year end awards

[00:28:37] on dance they focus on choreography and a big stage show I think it's smart to focus on performance for a song like this I can't wait to talk about the choreography I have thoughts on that but I liked the music video

[00:28:51] I got a 90s influence in the music video as well the church scene with the neon lights reminded me so much of Baz Luhrmann's Romeo and Juliet and then I also want to point out there's very specific references

[00:29:05] to the video that was done on you by little Kim I'm not sure if everyone knows that video look it up, low Kim is the queen there's like, I think it's Cheon is in a bathtub and her sunglasses and the whole scene

[00:29:17] I was like, I've seen this, I know this so they're doing specific references to 90s stuff that's very relatable if you're old like me and you remember it or might be refreshing and cool to younger people who have no idea

[00:29:31] and this is the first time they're seeing that image this is not near to some of us but I thought the video worked for the song I wasn't blown away, but I think if you're a fan you probably love this they looked pretty the abs are toned

[00:29:49] on these girls I have something to say about that later well it's interesting because I don't know if you guys have seen well A, there's been a lot of discourse online from the netizens about the fact that they were doing this video in a church

[00:30:05] they felt that was inappropriate and then also it was banned on one of the Korean music channels I think due to that bathtub scene they were like, oh this is representing self harm yeah, with chopping up both hair so that's interesting

[00:30:19] I mean I think because we're in the west and we're not as religious as a culture I don't think any I doubt any of the three of us were that offended by the fact that they did this in a church but I see why that could be

[00:30:33] a problem but I enjoyed it I don't really get why it needed to be in a church but I think it worked like I think the coloring was really cool I liked the blue tone that kind of was on top of the whole thing

[00:30:49] I liked the little duo scenes where they could interact you weren't really sure what was really going on but then the interaction was nice there so there was enough kind of different things going on to keep me interested and I agree with you their strength is

[00:31:05] their choreography and it always has been so really focusing on that did make sense they are really good performers I think Che Won and Yoon Jin especially stand out kind of all the time this is one that I wouldn't necessarily watch this video over and over again

[00:31:21] but I appreciate it for what it is and I think it does match the song copy that here on CCTV if you're new here Emily you are new here but if you are listening here you're new you will know that I am the tin hat one

[00:31:35] who helps the video theory video theory so are you all ready for the conspiracy corner alright so this is real quick before we get into it this video was actually edited by two Americans so it definitely has a more western feel

[00:31:51] today it was done by Taylor Tracy Walls from Form Cabinet and Nina McNeely and Tracy did Ariana Grande's videos or some of them and then Nina did Doja the weekend so there is a lot of western influence I guess in this which kind of

[00:32:07] you can definitely see because it has a lot of movement that remind me of hip hop videos the fish islands the cuts being like very matchy they are called match cuts where there is one frame one person in the center of the frame

[00:32:21] subject in the center of the frame but everything else surrounding it and the surrounding scene changes something clap your hands y'all you can see them changing the scene but Eunse still center of the frame I like those moments like that because it makes the video scene more seamless

[00:32:37] there is a movement that match up so perfectly and I'm like continuity I love it so from an editor watching and being nitpicky kind of thing I'm like yeah I like this but for the concept as a whole I get the church thing because like the video

[00:32:53] starts out so mysterious because you have these girls walking in all you can see are silhouettes so you have this illuminated background that kind of reminds you of heaven's door like you step into the light who is coming out of that people go to church to seek reconciliation

[00:33:05] but these girls are unforgiven that kind of thing where they are walking in people go there to get sanctified there is a lot of hallowed be thy name kind of imagery Eunse is kind of like mother Mary and Eunse is like laying on her lap

[00:33:19] almost in that very iconic statue of Jesus and Mary right but they do it in such a way where they kind of create a hallow effect with the lighting in the bedroom scene with Sakura and Kazuhara you can see the neon lights

[00:33:33] there's evil eye and a crescent moon and stars behind the girls that are dancing in their performance shots so I think there is a juxtaposition of being flawed creatures but still being very beautiful there's fangs and other little fabrics and such that kind of give off

[00:33:49] that vibe of spirituality but still being human so I think that they are kind of like martyrs in that sense especially with the dying scene I'll say dying scene especially with the bathtub scene they are still here, she gets electrified she is galvanized to continue

[00:34:07] to keep being like like a fuff flawless but like amazing and that girl or whatever that idea, they are going for that imagery you know so I get the the whole thing as a whole and that's why I think I gravitate to the video

[00:34:23] and I was like oh snap oh my gosh I get it but yeah so if you need the explanation there was like nice, I think you're right I think you're right because I was in some moments I feel like they are recreating

[00:34:37] religious paintings but I just wasn't sure like I almost needed like the painting behind and then pan down to them that would be like okay yeah I get this, I get this so valid but yeah I like this one for show okay moving on to twice, one spark

[00:34:55] I did enjoy this video I will say and maybe I just don't know what's going on with this group but this feels this whole concept with the whole references to their debut date and previous videos and their friendship

[00:35:07] and all the work that they put in and all that it feels like a break, like the song that they release before they break up or before a break or when a group comes back together and they reunite and then they are like looking back on their previous

[00:35:21] experience so I just again you guys can tell me if there's more to this but that just seems odd if this is just a regular single release to do that but I think in that concept I think it was executed very well

[00:35:37] and it was very sparkly and dizzy princessy in the best way and how I like twice to be all the great individual scenes are very different and very interesting I will say the whole finale on the bridge with the fireworks

[00:35:51] I feel like that bridge has now been used in so many k-pop music videos, it's like that highway tunnel that also is in so many k-pop music videos it's overdone like what is going on and also the fireworks are always so badly not badly CGI'd but you just

[00:36:09] you can just tell it's fake and I've said this before in so many videos with the fireworks like stop with the fireworks please other than that though I enjoyed the video overall that's why I said please we know

[00:36:27] building rooftops with the helipad used to be all the rage though remember they're like we're dancing on the roof you know that kind of crap they have to find something else bigger for sure this video is what you said it was it is very much celebratory anniversary

[00:36:43] the performances have been like so we started out because I think it's almost been like about 10 years, I think it's 9 at this point 9? yeah so 9 of them, 9 years yay! I've been with them since the beginning y'all I watched the show y'all I was crying when

[00:36:59] Momo got back in the group because he lived and she came back you know but the video gorgeous, gorgeous gowns that's what it was giving you know like they that was it, they look really pretty I think I like the performance video a little bit more

[00:37:17] but again we'll get into that later but the performance video they actually did have real fireworks, you can hear them popping in the background and it's wild but yeah I think again gorgeous, gorgeous gowns and the whole video is representing like how far they come

[00:37:31] they look mature, they look so confident and again like here on the show we will always criticize crazy facials and they didn't have crazy facials even Chewy sometimes she just doesn't give me anything, she's just serving you know categories and just looks and that's fine

[00:37:47] sometimes but like for this one her lip curl a little bit her eyes a little bit more brighter I was like yes give it to me, she was emoting well everyone just feels a little bit more grown up I love that the elevator was used

[00:37:59] as like a symbolism for them like rising through like through time and levels of life as individuals and then stopping on a timeless floor because twice is forever you know I think the usage of certain props like mirrors her reflection, bright lights and prismatic lighting it represents

[00:38:17] them because twice lights and like their whole thing is bright anyway but it's all about like what they've meant to each other as opposed to like oh my god thank you so much for the fans like feel special the fans feel like that was first thing

[00:38:31] thank you to us but for this era it was more like we appreciate what we have together and it shows that in the video for sure and I agree with the bridge, that was me at least they got a chance to finally go outside because

[00:38:47] twice does have a tendency to dance inside boxes like old school SM music videos so kudos for them for getting outside dancing on the bridge, setting down traffic you know what do you think about it very similar notes yeah I think the bridge can be retired

[00:39:03] but like you said there's always like it's a tunnel, it's the top of a building now it's the bridge with fireworks they're all doing this fake fireworks bridge scene yeah I'm over it and I have to say a specific note on that bridge scene

[00:39:17] that bothered me the styling I loved the styling at the beginning of the music video I thought the black and red outfits were great I thought the silver and black outfits were great but then they go into this like a lot of times in twice videos

[00:39:31] they do like a blah pastel I guess it's like the Disney princess thing but they went into this blah pastel and like cream look in the middle that didn't really work for me and then they end it with these like casual outfits and they're super casual

[00:39:45] they're like plaid they just look so out of place for this like big ending scene on the bridge with fireworks just where the silver sparkly glam looks for that scene I don't understand why that was the choice I thought that was like such a misstep otherwise

[00:40:03] the music video is beautiful it's really it's what you expect from twice just like the song we're getting what you expect so fans have to be happy they're beautiful they're giving great looks really nice performance in front of the camera shout out to Chewy I know exactly

[00:40:19] what you're talking about she's like the Kendall Jenner of twice absolutely beautiful but sometimes there's not a lot performance wise yes she brought it this comeback and I think that moment where they're looking at like the crystal ball and the reflection like you both mentioned

[00:40:37] this can be taken two different ways right this can be a goodbye or this can be celebrating how far we've come this whole comeback for me really had that feel of like celebrating each other celebrating what they've done together and how far they've come together

[00:40:53] it's nice I think it's like really happy and kind of a warm fuzzy feeling so I'm sure once are happy with this music video was fine I'm not blown away but honestly I think if you like twice it's what you love about them they're beautiful and they

[00:41:11] there were some interesting choreography formations some stuff that was cool there so I'm excited to talk about the performance gorgeous gowns except for the plaid except for the last looks I felt the very way performance we'll talk about because I was like what

[00:41:29] but yeah so let's just swing on up to NCT wish but they're in music video there's a lot going on in this one it's so gear this one has a lot of humor it's really like refreshing I mean Sprint's coming and it definitely fits for spring

[00:41:47] I enjoy the concept of Cupid being kind of turned into this very terrible sniper it's hilarious they're all terrible they cannot aim it's so cute I think that again continuity shots are very important to me as like a fake amateur editor

[00:42:05] what really stood out to me the most was the story shots being continued via the dance performance shots like for example the boys dancing in the field doing their little chant dance and all that stuff like that it then eventually becomes the feel

[00:42:23] that a love interest is playing guitar on while the admirer is peering onto the whole field I was like love it just adds more layers like you're really inside of that world and doesn't take you out of it because there's a lot going on

[00:42:35] this video especially with two versions and then the museum fights where the girls beating their god with the flowers then becomes a floating object to add texture to the guys dancing scene so I like those little moments it's nothing that's really crazy

[00:42:51] like the CGI is in like wow my goodness but at least you can appreciate that there is some connectivity to the video and not just like we're trying to make these guys look cool go off you know what I'm saying and the costumes

[00:43:03] you know go with that they're looking like Cupid but like more modernized with the beige beige tan neutral like you know palette and then when they're on their field they look kind of sporty and fun like young boys you know being cool I think

[00:43:19] little moments like the Cupid statue getting covered up because it's like things like that make it cute which goes back to what you were saying Emily about it not being super juvenile but still maintaining a level of sweetness like it's semi sweet you know it's nice to

[00:43:35] watch without being like oh my god here comes the little boing boing faces and oh my god get me out of here I do however feel like the video watching it was like watching like doing a big brother like a game show challenge

[00:43:49] where it's like spot the differences because depending on which video you got you got a slightly different story like within Japan the girl saves one of the Cupid's but his friends find him and he's like he's like the Korean version he is saved and sees the girl

[00:44:07] and then harps on her and he's like I want that one so throughout the video in the Japanese version they're like let's make her fall in love and he's like yeah and then it ends up just like kind of having like this little weird ending

[00:44:19] where a couple from like several thousand scenes ago ends up together we're in the Korean version he's like I don't want to fall in love nooo he jumps in front of the shot I'm going to replicate the Korean version a little bit more because it continues that humor

[00:44:33] but the Japanese version also has like a good happy ending but then leaves the girl drowning in the water because I don't know what happened after that she literally jumps in we'd never seen this again oh my god what do you think about the video

[00:44:48] I really liked it I was super impressed because I think I was worried that it would be a super juvenile yeah video the first like NCT Dream video if I remember correctly was like quite cute oh yeah

[00:45:04] I mean I was younger then but I still felt old watching that so I was a little worried about that for this one and no I think they did a really good job with this one because of course they are super young and they look super young

[00:45:14] but it felt genuine like when they were having fun and running around and stuff it didn't feel like they were acting and they were trying to be cute it just felt like they were just having fun and just being teenage boys and so I appreciated that

[00:45:28] because I think with K-pop especially with those videos your referencing that are like the really juvenile school boys that can always just it feels, I don't know it just feels too fake like no school boy is actually like that in any culture I'm really sure

[00:45:44] so I really really appreciate that and this concept with the whole Cupid thing can also go very cheesy as well and they didn't do that which I also appreciate I did think it was interesting I think we mentioned earlier with NCT, other NCT units

[00:46:00] even with the very first videos there was always a standout member or two and we said vocally there aren't really that they're all kind of on par with each other but visually as well like none of them super super standout individually and I think that's actually

[00:46:14] a good thing in this case and none of them stand out in a bad way either like they're all kind of on par with each other so I'm actually excited to see like their individuality start building as well but they're all in a really good starting point

[00:46:26] so I was really impressed with the video and the whole concept and the execution of it yeah I'm with you guys I thought it was great what a great note because I wrote down the same thing I'm like the chemistry with this group

[00:46:40] no one is standing out and no one is falling behind there's something where I'm watching the whole group and specifically you're right with NCT there's an immediate standout or two in every unit and that's who you watch that's who you pay attention to and they're

[00:46:54] gonna be really popular I love the synergy here I thought the storyline was great I loved it the second it started it was so different than a normal K-pop video you have a couple in a car screaming at each other

[00:47:08] I'm like what is this this is so different and then one of the members literally falls on their car because they're horrible cupids and the storyline starts I thought it was so refreshing it was like oh wow this is so nice to see and they were

[00:47:22] outside they were outside we got like the whole thing we get these beautiful gorgeous outside shots thank you for taking them out of the studio it was just so different I loved it it felt really fresh really bright and light

[00:47:38] and I was actually laughing out of the storyline I thought it was so well done when they accidentally shoot a tree instead of the guy and then she's like literally hugging and kissing the tree I laughed out loud I was genuinely

[00:47:52] so tickled by the whole thing I was like oh this is great the dance scenes were wonderful I liked the choreography I think there's a lot here with this group and I was just so pleasantly surprised this was just so different than all the other young

[00:48:06] boy groups I've recently reviewed and I like those groups but I just thought this storyline and the whole thing was such a nice way to introduce a young group loved it loved the music video yes well it's time to choose a winner so Emily

[00:48:22] what wins for you for the music video I can't even hide it I've like become an NCT rich band girl over here like why bother it's happening I think that music video to me was the winner just because it was so unique and different

[00:48:38] it actually made me laugh there was a storyline that it wasn't just about the members they just gave us a lot I felt like I was watching your rom-com and I loved it so that's my winner same I have to vote for that one too

[00:48:52] it is levels above the other two my god levels that's wild I actually like the LaSera from video because there's a lot of textures in that video that I think would go unnoticed and the concept itself I'm always very fascinated with the whole like religious

[00:49:14] towing the line of modernity is that the word when he's here so I do like it and for them keeping it relatively simple there's a lot of just visual editing textures that I'm like how to recreate so yeah as a personal like artist I would want

[00:49:28] that video to be my video yeah nice well it's time for the final round round three which is about the performance and choreography we've been teasing it this whole time so round three look they're dancers their choreography is so memorable I always think about their title track choreography

[00:49:50] there's one move that stands out you know you know the antifragile move you know the moves it's so memorable so this song is pointing in the direction of we're grown we're sexy I think they sell the sexy vibe that's kind of the identity

[00:50:06] in a lot of ways of this group at least in my eyes moving forward if you compare them to like new jeans you know they're on they're under the high umbrella new jeans are young fresh teenage well-surfing they're kind of in your face and definitely sexy this song

[00:50:22] had an opportunity to really go there and while I think they go there in the chorus I like the more grounded hip movement some of the choreography it feels like they choreographed to the lyrics not to the beat and the rhythm of the song

[00:50:36] there is this fast fast choreography that is so complicated and I'm like what song are you even dancing to it just it doesn't to me it doesn't go with the song at all and it like it's so mind-boggling that somebody

[00:50:52] heard this song and that's the choreography they gave them and that's the choreography they're highlighting for all the dance challenges that's what I'm seeing 24 7 and it just it does not work for me at all at all go off

[00:51:06] they used to be a dance coverist and a lot of the cover people like I was going through their stories and they were like I just want to talk who made the choreography shout out to KB simply KB on instagram

[00:51:18] she was like no seriously because what the heck and it's so true like you were talking about their abs earlier there's so much engagement necessary for this tip I was getting mad I was like why am I seeing more abs there's certain moves where they really do

[00:51:32] like when they're doing jacking with the back and forth back and forth all I see is contraction of the abs they're naturally thin women but a lot of the movements require so much control even the grooves are required in control that I'm seeing that they're engaging

[00:51:46] their abs and I'm like but fuck not that the choreography sucks but it's tough to sit there and have to sing and then try to get a groove but then hit it really tight at the end of it and then like your abs sing? question work

[00:51:58] oh my goodness hang on I'll take the computer a little bit wow well you're not really talking about the groove that's another note they've been getting called out now for this whole whisper singing like deserved the whole Cassie Thiera kind of whisper singing

[00:52:16] thing yet it was kind of cute but even they stopped doing it and now they're still doing it but with their performance I don't know how to call their singing but the choreography is really complicated but I think what stands out for people are the verse movements

[00:52:32] like the sheesh sheesh those movements there where they kind of sway and snap the clap your hands part the head thing everything else just feels like I have a big qualm about this a lot of Korean choreographers like I don't know what it is they get

[00:52:50] sometimes they get the demo that's in English before they get the Korean and then they're choreographing to this English demo not really if their English is not all the way there and they're not really paying attention to the lyrics even I have choreographed to something

[00:53:04] I don't understand I'm like this feels like so a lot of it just kind of feels like class choreography as opposed to like this makes sense to the words so they're talking about like you know I'm the serif and I don't know my rights

[00:53:16] blah blah blah blah and looking about that seems like they're going through it like a little roll or something it just feels like boom and you're like what the heck so I think that's where it kind of starts to get a little the disconnect starts to happen

[00:53:30] you'll get a demo in English learn the choreography months in advance they'll film the video and maybe change it up for performances like a SF9 doing teardrop you know what I'm saying like but by the time we get the video and all this content choreography is done

[00:53:46] I think that's where the disconnect does come in the choreography is it's not bad but it just feels like class choreo that's exactly what I said actually I said this feels like an advanced hip-hop class where they make it super difficult to make it difficult

[00:54:02] so you have a challenge and it doesn't matter if it matches the song or not because that's not the point of the class but um yeah it does not match the song at all I couldn't tell if they were trying to just make it ironic

[00:54:12] because you know the lyric is make it look easy so they were like we're going to give you something super hard and you have to make it look easy you know that's the only way I could think of like how they came up with this

[00:54:22] and also let me just note when I met the singing thing when I said the singing thing I also want to know they have been singing the on-chorus stages live I already can tell I'm going to get comments about that they have been singing live

[00:54:34] for the on-chorus stages without a backing track but this choreo is proof that k-pop idols do not need to sing live because it's literally impossible with this choreography literally impossible but I think that's why they gave it to them

[00:54:48] I think like they're the group that you give this to because no shade but they're not known as vocalists this is not red velvet over here they're not known for their vocals and I think there's a lot of chatter about the end stages as there should be

[00:55:06] so they're not planning on singing this live when they perform that's kind of the vibe I'm getting that's valid but yeah I do wish because the choreo is just at 100 the whole time the textures they just kept the whole first half of the song really chill

[00:55:24] and then it kind of built more and more until it gets kind of crazy for that final chorus and it's like whoa now this choreo is not easy that would have been so much cooler as a performance like can you imagine if the whole

[00:55:34] first verse they're just kind of doing these little grooves that kind of out like 20% and we've also said before on this show with a lot of current k-pop groups if they're just standing there singing a song they have no idea how to perform

[00:55:48] they now just rely on choreography and they don't actually have very much natural stage presence and this would have been the perfect way to develop that and showcase that and so I just think it was all just a missed opportunity with this yeah yes a million percent

[00:56:04] and this song has such a groove it has such a vibe staying that groove like those little moments were so much more exciting than the crazy difficult choreography yeah well moving right along we have twice a group not knowing exactly for their choreography

[00:56:24] but in the past several combats I think we all agree that it's been getting kind of aggressive yeah so Chris what do you think about the choreo what do you think I really liked this choreo like I think it fits the song it's very feminine very

[00:56:38] pretty great musicality but the best part of it actually for me is all the formations and the pictures that they have in there it makes it so effective like even in the first verse there's so much there you have G-ho walking through them diagonally

[00:56:52] and like different girls kind of joining in at different parts I love the level diagonal from Mina's moment where they're like kind of like stage left as well so it's just all like kind of asymmetrical a lot of that so it's just done so well like whoever

[00:57:06] choreographed this they made full use of having nine bodies to work with and so like as a dancer who used to like stage a lot of things like the choreography formation stuff is so good I also appreciate that there is a mix of like the

[00:57:22] hard hitting moments like Momo's like little like shoulder thing and then you have all the softer like our homography that twice is more known for in there too so yeah I really really like the choreography I think performance wise too there's definitely an ease to them now

[00:57:38] because they definitely are at the point in their career where they don't really have much to prove really and so they can kind of just do how whatever feels naturally to them without having to push too hard so I think as a whole they perform it really well

[00:57:52] I will always say with twice that some members are much better performers than others and I don't think that will ever really change but as a whole I think they did a good job yeah nice for me I feel like everything you said was on point

[00:58:08] you see us agreeing very physically agreeing with you because I think that's what people don't realize what we mean sometimes even as like older k-pop fans but not just being old but just being older generation k-pop fans there are moments with Africa Dabber

[00:58:26] with the hip there are moments with single ladies even with the hand it's okay to have one move that sticks out and this is what's happening with them they'll have the formations but then you'll have these little moments with the body where you'll have a little

[00:58:40] swing or something or you'll have these clean little arms that you're like how the how do I twerk and swing my arms too so and I think that's what's really important I think I've always appreciated that about some of JYP's choreography because NCT, SM

[00:58:54] we'll get to them in a second but we all know how SM has gotten with their choreography for that whole sect for the boys but with JYP you know the hush dance for Dash you know the Dash is the hand for them you know the burning

[00:59:10] with the sparkly hand and even at the end their heart is burning, their heart is still going so I appreciate the old schoolness of the choreography here so shout out to um the choreographer and shout out to their arms these girls look like they are all in shape

[00:59:22] their arms look amazing like literally and nobody's saying that about Jungyeon that's my baby she looks good too everyone looks so toned and tight I'm like okay go on it's so strong because very easily can people can get I mean I get tired with armography and they

[00:59:40] maintain the energy I appreciate it I really do appreciate it because we all as a girls generation fans can all agree that they were not they didn't get better dancing after they got older no they always executed at 40% they're tired they're gonna do those yeah but with twice

[00:59:58] they sit there in the arms so cool as to them for sure for sure and their hands are always so perfect yeah what about you Evelie feel about this one you both took all my notes I can't agree more now like I

[01:00:12] can't think like yes yes yes yes well I'm not about twice but I think they do so well the formations they create a stage picture and they create levels where a few of them are down people are back here now they switch it up and move into something

[01:00:26] else so seamlessly I always find the choreography interesting and when you watch a group over and over and over again there's things that they do well the arms the hand choreography beautiful precise hand movements and they're all so in sync with

[01:00:40] that it's not easy to do it looks easy but when you watch them they do such a great job and it's fun I think the arm and hand choreography it makes dance is easy it makes tiktok easy and that's the

[01:00:54] kind of unfortunately that's where we are right now with choreography and subgroups executed better than others twice they're made for this and they're killing it but to me it's the stage picture and it's the formations and it's the interesting things they do like

[01:01:08] you mentioned in that first verse where she's walking through different formations and there's a lot of asymmetrical stuff that you don't see with other k-pop groups it's not just the V you know with someone if it's not if it's an odd number

[01:01:22] it's a V with someone hiding behind oh yeah that's every single there's gonna be a V but they're not just doing the V you know there's a lot of V in a straight line they're giving us so much more stuff and I loved

[01:01:36] the harder parts when mobo comes into that pre-chorus I was like go off mobo look at mobo bringing it she always does I mean she is a group for forever but they do have different levels in the choreography it's not all one note

[01:01:52] it switches up with the song the musicality is there I loved this I just like yeah this is why I like twice this is what gets me with twice they're interesting in their performance a little more interesting than maybe the songs or everything else there's something there

[01:02:08] that always grabs me with twice and this one did it again awesome alright so here we are final contestant NCT wish with wish choreography alright you know I want to say that again we're not surprised by the caliber of talent that is in SM camp we're not surprised

[01:02:32] I think what ends up happening is that we get so used to it that by the time we see another iteration of the same thing we're like Lord please something else but I can honestly say with this group there were some moments I think because

[01:02:48] there's not 511 of them that we can like actually look in focus and appreciate the simpler shapes like even though you're so funny but it's so true we got the e formation we got diagonal but what made it so dynamic was what they did with the certain

[01:03:04] horizontal lines like in the first literally the first count of the song they're all in the line holding each hand and then switching and opening it up to create a shape they're going into a diagonal formation and actually moving it where it's a canon like a ripple effect

[01:03:18] when they go into a line again they break it off and keep moving the choreography so another formation is presented they let people walk away when they're done singing you haven't seen that in so long oh my god but yeah I think there's a lot of like

[01:03:34] coming together reveal the member coming together reveal the member parts I appreciate or maybe just allowing if you're not singing to come across as like not a background dancer but almost as like a you know what I'm saying like it wasn't like oh we're all

[01:03:48] going to be sitting there killing it it's like when it's not your part go off when it is your part you can just wall and you can just perform to the camera and I think that's what's been missing from NCT as a unit as a whole

[01:04:00] so I think I really like their choreography for that and I like their little pick it up and I like their little like that's the harsh thing because I would have never thought that they were going to swing my leg and kick my feet up

[01:04:14] that was so cute to me I was like what is I don't it looks so crazy but then I listened to the lyrics okay that's the point dance they're going to have fun doing that when they're older though oh my god yes yes oh my gosh

[01:04:30] and then going back to what I was saying about them the line dance with the conga lining they've seen that in OMG where they break off and do something else where they're like almost like a London bridge there's so many little pictures here

[01:04:44] so they have what we like and what we know and bring a little something different because they are who they are as like a group you know what I'm saying I still can't tell them apart yet I can't be like oh that's

[01:04:56] Jack that's Mike I can't do that right now but I want to because I was like oh my god Jack just killed it and that's what you want as a new the group debuting or like a new fan or something like I don't

[01:05:08] you know what I'm saying so I appreciate that for that or Chris who's turn is it my turn Emily go for it yes yeah I love to this I agree with you so much on the pictures they create there's so much going on

[01:05:26] I loved when they do kind of like holding hands and interacting with one another and I love how much dancers interact with one another not always be facing front not always be like I love interaction and it creates interesting stage pictures and it's fun for the audience

[01:05:42] something different I will say though no hate on that V because when they were doing the chanting like NCT wish it felt like a cheerleader move or a step move to me I found like I saw that in there and I was really fun I love it

[01:05:56] everything doesn't have to be hard and so complicated and so intricate you can have those moments for a more relaxed fun move eight count whatever you want to call it and the audience will connect they'll vibe with it again stuff like that's easier for fans

[01:06:14] to do on tiktok than the most complicated choreography I think here they gave us a little both there's there are those moments but they're young and have energy and it shows like this is not going to be easy to do when you're older like post investment

[01:06:30] or something I don't know if a group could do this as well this is hard and I love the point choreography it was cute without being cutesy the whole thing was so well done I'm surprised at how much I loved this because like we've talked

[01:06:46] about for another NCT feel like okay here we go again like I know I love NCT I know this I'll probably vibe with it but there's something here that feels really fresh and different and I don't know if there's a different choreographer a whole different team on this

[01:07:02] but it felt that way to me this feels like a different perspective a little bit it really worked for me I love the performance and they gel the chemistry in this group is really nice I love their personalities and their interactions

[01:07:16] I'm like you I don't know their names yet and I'm excited to learn I'm excited to pick a bias but nobody stood out so much that I was like he's my bias look at this guy yeah they all killed it and they all

[01:07:26] have moments to shine and the choreography performance allows them those moments to shine where they do get to step out where you do have somebody now you fall back all the members aren't going hard 100 the entire time because you don't need that

[01:07:40] give people their moments give people their time I love this this totally worked for me it was really fun and there were some interesting kind of unexpected things in the choreography yes yeah we mentioned formations earlier too this one also has some really cool

[01:07:54] moments I especially like all the parts where they're more clumped together and they're all just kind of like doing slightly there slight variations of different things on different levels and stuff I thought it was all really really smart so yeah I think the standard of NCT and SM

[01:08:08] choreography is very very high like everything's always very technically difficult and I think for a lot of non-dancer fans or people who don't even appreciate dance that much it's actually hard to see and so a lot of the time with NCT stuff

[01:08:24] and even SM stuff like the newer stuff it's a lot harder than I think it needs to be but as a dancer I appreciate it but this definitely will be a song in their concert where they're just on those things that go around the arena

[01:08:36] like they will not want to be doing this but yeah I'm super impressed just of their performance ability because there are new group they're very young and their first new opportunities have been like at Tokyo Dome these crazy opportunities which is awesome for them but that must be

[01:08:54] terrifying and at the SM town performance where they all have to come up and they each have to do their you know opening fairy thing where they all intensely stare at the camera they all look strong

[01:09:08] they all look confident and I'm very impressed because I was like there's no way I could have done that as a teenager so yeah very very impressive and they're just so well rehearsed that it just felt very natural actually so yeah I was pretty impressed by that

[01:09:24] I do think though because it's just always so difficult it's one of those situations kind of like what I said with easy where if you're kind of everything is so difficult you just kind of get numb to that as a viewer

[01:09:38] and so I do wish as there might have been some parts that were just a little easier because I think that would have given a little bit more of a roller coaster effect but overall I did enjoy watching them

[01:09:50] perform it for sure but there wasn't like a full like wow moment because it was kind of all wow you know so I think that's my only like kind of criticism but not really I don't know valid valid okay that being said who takes this round for you

[01:10:06] ooh you know I think I will give it to twice actually like if I had to watch another performance right now I would want to watch another of theirs because I just think it was so clean how this one was done yeah

[01:10:20] I'm gonna give it to NCT Wish because I like their formations I like how they presented it and I think because they are so I'm a twice fan I've seen I've seen it for me I'm a little bit more

[01:10:30] okay I see it I love you all do this you're killing it but NCT Wish is new to me even though the formula is not and I think him or you do have a point in terms of like the choreography feels different because Ryze they had more American

[01:10:42] now as opposed to like NCT getting movements from like K-Korean like groups like you know what I'm saying like boys or something like that so I think for this one something did feel a little different and I agree with you so NCT Wish for me yeah

[01:10:56] I love you twice sorry I know and for me it's between those two for sure when I went into this and I was like who would my winner be for choreography and I have to give it to twice because I do think it's a really valid point

[01:11:12] of like if I'm gonna go back and watch right now I'm gonna watch that one because I think like if I was in a group what choreography would I want to do or what is interesting and what's harder than it might seem

[01:11:24] there's something about what they do that I just we're talking about when it's hard and it's way harder than the average person views choreography there's something with twice where I feel like they don't get enough credit that their choreography is actually difficult yes it is

[01:11:40] their choreography is difficult they're not doing whatever their girl group does and they and it's always been that way they're killing it consistently they have interesting unique choreography so I have to give it to my ladies of twice but NCT Wish I can't wait to follow that

[01:11:56] I'm definitely interested in watching their career they impressed the hell out of me with this debut yeah absolutely oh my god I'm so sorry guys I love you guys I'm sorry the ones of the whole group didn't picture my ass all the rounds are wrapped up

[01:12:14] but who is everyone's ultimate winner crazy I'm gonna get you first before you get out of the studio ultimate winner ultimate winner out of these three I probably actually will go twice actually as I said I'm not a huge twice fan and I don't think this song

[01:12:32] stands out a ton amongst their discography but it is a good song and I do think it will grow on me as I continue listening to it so I'll go with that one yes Emily how about you I'm going NCT Wish

[01:12:48] they were my winner two out of three of the categories I'm just so excited about them I hope this was so refreshing something different from the NCT world I can't believe we're still going I'm gonna be standing in NCT groups for 20 years like I never am

[01:13:04] now we have another NCT group to stand I've got to learn their names it's death I'm really really feeling them on a roll mentioned twice though I loved that twice comeback was the excitement came I have to give it to NCT Wish altogether

[01:13:20] I still think the seraphim's video is better but this is my part with them NCT Wish I think overall was good I was nauseated by any of it I wasn't jarred by a lot except the beginning of a song you know I'm saying like little things

[01:13:36] there's like little deductions as to why I didn't like something as opposed to being like this didn't have this and this doesn't have that so yeah I think they take it from me nice well that wraps up our pop-up thank you so much Emily

[01:13:50] for joining us hope you had fun oh my god thank you guys so much for having me this was great I loved it thank you thank you thank you I'm now like more enthusiastic about these songs and music videos yeah so much fun felt but we love that

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