What's Up with HYBE & ADOR? + NewJeans "How Sweet" Review

[00:00:00] Summer 2020 new jeans had all of our attention and since then they have released hit after hit but with all that's going on behind the scenes could this be the beginning of the end? Dun dun dun

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[00:00:29] us over at patreon.com slash CCTV Pups. So before we get into the Hybe, Adore, Menhidi drama let's discuss the new jeans comeback. Yes, yay. Turn off the kids. Yes so the How Sweet single album was released on May 24th 2024

[00:00:47] and it contains two tracks plus their instrumentals How Sweet and Bubblegum. Yes oh man you gotta tell you something I just when K-POP has always been so interesting because it's like you spent all this money all this energy to record and like songs and then put

[00:01:04] two and there's some instrumentals man that's rough. I know every comeback is so expensive I would never I don't that yeah anyway we'll talk about it another time another episode any little doodle let's hop into it we're gonna talk about How Sweet first and this was produced

[00:01:19] by 250 and written by Gigi, Sarah Arons, Elvira, Oscar Scheller, Benet, Trove Berman and Danielle of New Jeans. This is like the one of the group members like first credit on a song right? Yeah we love that. Yeah it's good for her. Yeah yeah thoughts on this one.

[00:01:39] It's okay you know it's tough because I actually think the song is good but I think there's something about that all of this that's just becoming a little stale.

[00:01:48] Oh yeah okay every song now that we know what to expect yeah it's just kind of more of the same and I think everything just kind of has the same vibe now just across their whole discography

[00:02:01] so while this song is good the excitement of the of the newness of it is gone so I don't love it you know the newness is the new gene kind of but no I mean the song is good I enjoy the beat

[00:02:16] all the percussion elements are fun there's like a like a cowboy-esque thing the rhythm of the high hat is fun all the space laser sounds are fun and again the mix on all their music is always so good

[00:02:30] like it always sounds very warm there's a lot of depth in it and yeah this was good it's like I think we had said this about the next song too but this is great for this time

[00:02:42] this kind of like spring into summer transition oh right yeah it just fits that feeling well um but yeah I think the chorus is good it's catchy but I do wish it was more of like a gang vocal

[00:02:56] if not a gang vocal just sung with a little bit more or feeling yeah yeah because it's just like don't you know how sweet it is how sweet and then it's like without you you know and it's like

[00:03:08] okay but it doesn't feel like a triumphant moment it's like I don't know there's just a disconnect there yeah um like nonchalant girlfriend yeah and then there's not much of a build at all uh

[00:03:23] it just doesn't really go anywhere um in the break section or anything like they're not good it I mean not good at they don't actually really ever have eddy ablbs or anything so yeah I don't

[00:03:33] know I like it and trust me I love new genes I still listen to pretty much their entire discography still like all the time but I think it's time for some something new yeah I think it's time to

[00:03:47] build on their sound a little bit I agree with you the song needs a little bit of some padding and this is not like a dig at the song writers whatsoever or it's not even like oh yeah they

[00:03:56] can't write it that song it's a good song it's just I think maybe in between its inception to us hearing it there may have been like a yeah take this out put this in because I feel like

[00:04:07] the song leans more into the r&b feel so maybe some adlibs were there at one point or another because I can't imagine song writing this song and leaving the bridge as empty as it is that last

[00:04:18] chorus as empty you know what I'm saying maybe maybe they did purposely but I don't care for that approach yeah personally oh is that a sign of our musical taste I don't know but I just feel

[00:04:29] like it could have used a little bit more especially in that bridge section it's so like so mellow almost anemic that I wish there would have been someone taking the lead on that

[00:04:41] like like repeating the phrases you're like you know a la like an r&b track or maybe like a pop track from Lord knows when but like if you're going to sit there and have someone

[00:04:50] singing these long sustained notes at least have a lead vocal punctuating what the meaning of it or adding a little bit of like vocal frill or something going on and it didn't happen and

[00:05:00] then the last chorus was just not there um I do appreciate and I'm not sure if I've ever said it on the show before but I do appreciate um how new jeans new jeans's sound is like

[00:05:11] really punctuated with like a lot of black music I was I was listening to this and I was like oh my gosh this sounds like two lab crew it sounds like um a fusion of like pop

[00:05:21] and atl slash miami bass I will say it sounds a lot more 80s inspired as opposed to like 90s and I think a lot of people don't realize that 80s has all this like funness going on it's not all

[00:05:35] just like maniac maniac kind of music um it's not all like the weekend either um so they took a little more of like an r&b 80s kind of approach I appreciate it um and in terms of the

[00:05:48] miami atl pop bass situation I mean you can kind of compare it to maybe like a super love by tina shea or um stereotype by stacy for kpop fans um I just think that using these sonics

[00:06:03] still is I mean it's clever you know because you have a bunch of noisy music to cut through and the standout is still you still stand out for sure um I don't think it sounds like an

[00:06:13] eyelet song um could eyelet possibly do this song that is the argument right but I it not eyelet illet excuse me illet is also like more pop driven and more very kpop like sounding this sounds

[00:06:27] like a western song and I'm not sure if it's like I wouldn't say it's like the best of what the western a western artist would present though you know I'm saying um I really do wish there was

[00:06:37] a little bit more harmony stacks here and there um but aside from that the song is decent it's not bad it's just like you said I think the emotions reflected in the song about a breakup

[00:06:48] weren't really articulated well throughout the song and I think my biggest gripe is that the second verse is sung super lowly so that when the girls actually have to sing this song alive it's

[00:06:58] going to be out of their range because I'm dancing their butts off and we already saw the seraphim struggle with low notes you know like so it's uh it's just a little bit of a mess

[00:07:07] in that sense um but yeah I mean eh not a bad song it's just those little things I'm like oh dang it oh it's a sigh of being like really really good yeah I honestly the thing is they set their standard

[00:07:19] just so high with the first couple tracks that it's tough to recreate that yeah totally and it just feels like that's kind of just what the brief has been right like using more of this yeah

[00:07:35] yeah you know the sad thing is like you said because they're not trying to branch out and create a different sonic it's just coming across as like uh the usual at the diner even though it's

[00:07:45] really good yeah you love your diner it's your favorite diner but it's it's the same cookie for lack of a better right yeah thank you know yeah yeah yeah so what about the music video the

[00:07:56] music video I feel like was I guess fresh for kpop but it's it's typical new gene style for sure but what do you think about the music video I enjoyed it yeah I enjoyed the video um

[00:08:09] you know I appreciate non studio kpop videos because most of them you know they're usually in a in a dark room somewhere um and this one they were very briefly you know in that water

[00:08:21] moment with the dust but for the most part like them on the street and like just in the outdoor scenes it just it's very simple but it's effective it feels like you're just hanging out with them

[00:08:30] like on a day off from school kind of um there are moments where I think because they clearly used a drone right to like kind of fill a lot of it it goes a little crazy it's like okay like it doesn't

[00:08:43] need to do this like they're doing they're they're interesting enough that you don't need to do all these camera tricks I think um ballad yeah all the water on them was fun I enjoyed it for what

[00:08:56] it was I think it fit the song uh oh yeah yeah what do you think you know this one is the creative team is very present um they know exactly what they do I think he once shouldn't directed it um

[00:09:13] I forgot to mention that I like how the the drums kind of percolate throughout the music and that's the one of the things that actually give it it percolates with excitement it kind of gives

[00:09:23] the the very soothing song like some oomph and I think the video also kind of aids in the momentum and the momentum is good momentum of the song yeah um but yeah I think uh the camera work was

[00:09:40] interesting because we were watching the girls from the perspective of animals and plushies you know I'm saying so it felt not voyeuristic like oh we're watching girls we're just it just felt like little companions you know you know like every dizzy dizzy princess has like an animal

[00:09:56] companion that's what it felt like I felt like we're we were watching pocahontas from the the raccoons perspective or watching Mulan from mooshies perspective that's what it felt like and I thought that was a very clever way to um make the interactions between the girls feel a little

[00:10:14] bit more uh connective that's the word I want to use here but like because everything felt um like we were a part of the action it didn't feel like we were watching a bunch of girls with the

[00:10:27] here's the glamour shot and this is dada yeah and here's a studio and if we are outside it's very scripted and even though this is also scripted the camera work is really interactive it feels

[00:10:37] natural um even in the sunken place scene as out of play as out of place as it may seem I think maybe it was used to represent the dark place that some people could go through during a

[00:10:48] heartbreak uh and like that's why the freedom outside we never saw it again the freedom outside of the video of that sunken place made it that much sweeter so it kind of ties in really nicely

[00:10:58] um and I think just overall the video is very adorable and I love how they're just trying to figure out how to get back into town because their car broke down yes I thought it was

[00:11:05] super cute super certain scenes like the truck driving by and them posing with cute things like that kind of make it easy to tell who the girls are as a group as individuals um and uh yeah it doesn't

[00:11:20] feel as like like a creepy music video about little girls you know I'm saying like it's so easy for that to happen it does happen a lot in kpop but for this one I feel like oh this is fun

[00:11:30] this is nice yeah new jeans have always been pretty good I think actually about avoiding that they do show that um lake the dark lake one more time at the very end yeah but yeah yeah yeah

[00:11:42] what do you think of the choreo oh my goodness this is choreo they're dancing like they're background dancers and I'm just like just a lot um it's not bad I think it's really cool um how

[00:11:54] the choreography um looks like it looks like it looks cool but it looks like it looks fun yeah it looks not it looks a little aft like there's like a flight jump here in there and I

[00:12:06] even slight it's a jump it's a whole skip and a hop um shout out to them for even doing it but yeah I like that it's not so super feminine yes um and I'll tell you about the song though the

[00:12:16] music itself is like it's a hip-hop groove even though it's uh like an R&B like uh 80s kind of herbie hand caught inspired kind of situation it's still like they have to catch some grooves

[00:12:29] and catch some hits and stuff like that so there's no you could be sexy but why the song is not asking for that is not calling for that so shout out to the the choreographer um I did watch some performances

[00:12:41] and they the core parts of they're so cute like the choreography is they again shout out to the choreographer to the whole team like they figured out how to make things look super organically

[00:12:49] at this point we understand like that's their back to look at each other and interact but they don't like they're sick of it the the last the best part you know and then the camera

[00:12:57] worked with the with the choreography was it was a lot but I think it just again when you're getting a bird's eye view of these girls dancing and it's lying we're like you know it kind of makes

[00:13:11] sense um I want to learn it I definitely want to learn it for sure what about you do you like the choreography? I would love to learn this as well actually um yeah I think my main point was

[00:13:19] kind of what you said at the beginning which is just I love that it's not feminine actually yeah it makes the song actually just feel a lot more mature in a way actually oh yeah and watching

[00:13:32] them perform it definitely made me like the song more which is important and yes yes even though the choreo isn't as feminine they also pull it off well like you said yeah like they it feels

[00:13:42] because sometimes we've said this in the past sometimes um with some girl groups like if they try to hit something really hard and and like yeah just kind of more grounded uh it sometimes

[00:13:57] can look a little awkward but no they the these girls have it they do a really good job yeah yeah so it's been fun watching it for sure all right all that being said at the music the lyric the music

[00:14:12] video the choreography what do you think about what is your score what do you think that's I will give it an eight I still think it's a good song I'm just ready for them to explore new things

[00:14:24] you know that is so valid but the question is will they be able to um we'll talk about a little bit later stay tuned if you made this far be sure to subscribe and if you're listening on a podcast

[00:14:33] also subscribe there give us a rating of stars kiss um yeah so I also would like to give it an eight I was like is it gonna shoot lower for me and I was like no it's still good

[00:14:46] yeah it's yeah yeah oh man yeah it's interesting though because it looks like Espa's kind of like taking over everything like even at the charts these you know so yeah I mean so much for

[00:15:00] crushing them I know so it's so ironic I kind of love it anyway yeah sorry there was another single on this project bubble gum which was produced by 250 and written by Sophie Simmons

[00:15:13] Oscar bell and Gigi and so we've had a little bit more time to sit with this one because the music video did come out a few weeks prior yes yeah it's just interesting because that's kind of like how

[00:15:24] songs used to be released back in like the 2000s but yeah what do you think of bubble gum do you like it more than how sweet yeah I do actually and I think I'm I'm gonna be real with you I've

[00:15:38] looked on some reddits and some other forums and a lot of the fans not comparing the songs but a lot of fans kind of said what I was mentioning earlier in terms of how sweet just not being as earwormy

[00:15:51] or as strong as their past singles doesn't mean it's bad right um and going back to with Espa yeah super super super no but I can't really say with how sweet did I have anything to latch on

[00:16:03] really I agree as strongly as I did with bubble so with bubble gum excuse me I said I want to call it bubble but that's the thing they don't they say bubble bubble bubble and

[00:16:16] then the gum was like a afterthought gum like it came after okay so I think this one is definitely a stronger track on this album on this project for sure and my favorite thing about it is that

[00:16:28] it actually is full without being maximalist there are ad-libs and vocals in the background that fill up the space of the music um and it's a perfect kind of musical feng shui in a way where it's not too

[00:16:41] cluttered like if you listen to this song you can hear the vocals you can hear the harmonies you can hear like the size and all these other little like sounds for lack of a better word yeah

[00:16:51] um and I remember listening to this song when we first heard it and I was like this sounds like something I'd heard already but like not in a bad way and I think I may have sounded like that

[00:16:59] um that's a patreon exclusive though so be sure y'all find out for a patreon so you can see our like our raw reactions um but yeah I mean this song just sounds nostalgic um and I think

[00:17:12] elements such as like the wiry alien synth and the tagline and the hooky parts and the outro that could have been a bridge but was like a part of the pre-hook that then got expanded

[00:17:23] things like that is what makes it feel like okay this is a new jeans song or this is a k-pop song because I can't imagine a western artist doing the whole taking the pre-hook making it an outro

[00:17:36] foregoing a bridge so like do this I appreciate the structure of the song I appreciate the fullness of the song without it being cluttered um and the girls sound um pretty good I mean

[00:17:47] they're singing in that lower pitch as well in this one yeah uh but again I think because there were a little bit more like filler and sweetener vocals here in there it just feels a little bit more

[00:17:59] fleshed out as opposed to a really crisp demo-ish sounding how sweet no tea no shade I just think this one's a little bit more stronger for sure I agree with you I like this one more as well

[00:18:13] this one does sound like it's from the 90s especially that beginning oh yeah it's very nostalgic for sure and I like the production of this one more as well like I like the kind of staccato

[00:18:23] effect it has going I like the guitars in it oh yeah generally I just think the melodies are stronger yeah uh it is like the last song though again it's very warm so the two do fit well together

[00:18:34] but I do I do feel like this should have been the lead single as opposed to the house sweet so that's interesting um again though and again I think that this might just be 250s

[00:18:45] style I guess but it just doesn't really build to anything and again there's not really any adlibs and stuff like I get that vocally they don't have like a lead singer right they don't

[00:18:58] have a luna or uh yeah like that or no ballad you know what I mean um so I get that maybe they don't want to do what they're not comfortable doing but then you know you can still build the

[00:19:10] song in other ways then Danielle Danielle did the little mermaid soundtrack at this point I don't believe it no you're right anywhere you know yeah but you're right though but they like if we had to

[00:19:20] think about the guba as a whole it wasn't is not to think oh yeah they have a vocalist that can you know open her mouth yeah unleash the yeah see if notes like you know that's right you're

[00:19:31] valid for that for sure but I do think the song is much stronger um overall like I think it does hold up to the last new gene singles and and is as good as those so yeah and it's not for the season too

[00:19:45] yes what do you think of the video the video so cute I mean I feel like they really do all the whole vcr concept so I appreciate the leading into that actually yeah totally um I'm not sure if anyone

[00:19:58] here on the on the interwebs cctv crew maybe you know Joyce right Joyce right yeah she's like a blazian singer who kind of leaned into the whole 90s vcr kind of sound for a while um she's expanded

[00:20:11] a little bit more but when I first found her it was like on this like indie artist making it look retro so she's in the vcr I said that the 90s thing going on um the video reminded me of her

[00:20:22] the song reminds me of her as well especially um but yeah no I mean the video is cute because again you get to see the girls like individual charms I think um some of the editing was really clever

[00:20:33] like on the kick drum for the bubble bubble bubble bubble that's a kick drum and then there's a pop up windows popping up on the computer I thought that was really cute um them on the

[00:20:42] beach and Daniel Sidner yeah so that was so funny things like that make it really charming and not to compare illet only because like they're part of the same group was like the

[00:20:54] it's another group that's like young that I can compare it wasn't so like slumber party watching the little girls have a good time that's you know like I listen to me people I'm pretty sure it's

[00:21:05] not their intention with illet's like concept in the video but I just felt like I was watching little girls on a slumber party and I was like I don't know how I feel about this with this one

[00:21:13] you watching girls kind of chill out but they're being just awkward girls you know young teens the youngest members what like 14 15 now so they're still able to tell the line of being innocent but like not like cavity inducing sweetness

[00:21:30] so I appreciate that I think the video is just really cute um it's nice uh to watch them just kind of interact with each other I think that's really important yeah um I don't remember

[00:21:42] seeing like a dance really like in the I know there's a dance for it yeah but I don't I don't for the performance I don't care about that the song is good and the video is like

[00:21:50] I would watch it again just to kind of see what else I missed kind of thing yes yeah I think the chemistry between them is so good obviously I don't know how genuine that is right like we

[00:22:01] always hope that these groups are best friends but you know at the end of the day they're colleagues um but they do an amazing job of really it does feel like you're just kind of

[00:22:12] with this group of friends that's just all hanging out and yeah it feels very genuine which I appreciate yes there are moments of it that make me think of the stock videos that you get at like karaoke

[00:22:24] you know oh my gosh where you get like a random woman just like walking on the beach and it has nothing to do with the song that they're singing I was legit at that I was not therapy I was legit

[00:22:32] I should be in therapy um I was legit at karaoke uh and the thong song was playing and it was a blonde bite woman like writhing in a grassy no at least she was writhing then yeah I get it

[00:22:45] but it's just like oh yeah this is who the song is about sometimes you'll get just like someone just like strolling on the beach for that and it's like yeah thong song she was there too she would

[00:22:53] they too yeah she was there but I feel like that was on purpose uh but I love that like that that just feels nostalgic for sure and then with the performances that they've done so far the

[00:23:03] choreo is super fun for this and I love the the way they've decided to film it where it's kind of just a one-camera situation yeah uh and it's kind of they just come in solos duos um yeah but then you

[00:23:15] also see the others on the side just kind of chilling too like they're not hitting like they're just kind of watching their other friends are just kind of enjoying the music while they don't

[00:23:25] have anything to do like it was done yeah really really well it felt very loose and we know it's not loose or effortless because everything to the t is planned with kpop but it feels spontaneous

[00:23:38] which is great yes honestly uh however long it took for them to come back at this time it makes sense for you to choreograph all of that and conceptualize all of this it's it's

[00:23:48] it's worth the time spent on it for sure um I mean I feel like it's a little bit of a obvious pick for us um my rating is at a nine for this is definitely better I wouldn't say it's like

[00:24:02] 10 like it's not it's not as good as like high boy that attention you know like all the well the good album was also very good the good of album altogether was yeah very good to the

[00:24:14] come after that yeah yeah it is really tough uh yeah I'll help ask you I'll do a nine as well all right now I know we said album but there's only two songs and some instrumentals uh unless you

[00:24:25] guys want us to like review the instrumentals and pick it apart like at some point um but yes so we are recording this at the end of May 2024 so things may have changed by the time you all

[00:24:36] watch this so we're going to just kind of talk about what we alluded to earlier with all the drama and all the other stuff like that but we're gonna set the scene new jeans it's signed

[00:24:45] to adore headed by Min Hee Jin which operates as an independent label under Hyde so in March 2024 parents of new jean members submitted an email to adore expressing concerns about Hyde's treatment

[00:25:00] of new jeans that email has been you know yeah people don't know for sure if that was a real email from the parents but yes then in April 2024 Min Hee Jin made several claims against Hyde

[00:25:15] including topics like management issues and plagiarism in relation to illet which is Hyde's latest girl group and Hyde of course refuted all of her accusations and called for her to resign and they also claimed that she was making plans to leave Hyde and consulting with like

[00:25:33] financial advisors and things and trying to figure out how to get out so since then there's been a ton of back and forth between the two parties all the evidence presented from both sides

[00:25:43] have been like questionable yeah no one knows what is legit and what is not unfortunately yeah you know this is really tough because now we have new jeans obviously they're their kids they have no say no polls only they're second year out not even two years out

[00:26:02] so what can they do except just continue so in the meantime they have obviously come back and gone ahead with it as planned and they actually have another Japanese like release coming out soon as well but I'm not mistaken the conflict is conflicting for sure because

[00:26:20] apparently a hiatus of about 18 months was announced which is really f that I don't think officially announced right not officially yeah but if that's the rumor that is so petty and evil because it's um but yeah so either way whatever the the reports are there's a lot of

[00:26:39] conflict a lot of drama and it remains unresolved at the moment and of course new jeans is the unfortunate collateral damage here so what do we all think about what's going on um

[00:26:50] uh-huh jeez I mean you come from like a you come from like the record label world and all that stuff like that in this situation would you say that this is not typical or normal but like what

[00:27:03] would happen usually because I think people usually get shelved when crap like this happens people people get like shelved or some other bull crap like that well I think a little different because yeah management and creative and everything is all looped into one I feel like with western

[00:27:18] artists it's a little easier because even if you were having issues with management you would you still have would have your lawyer and you would still have your pr team like you'd have other

[00:27:27] third parties that are that you can still rely on to still do stuff right yeah um but yeah no I've definitely been in cases where artists and their teams have just not been on the same page so

[00:27:40] we've just been like okay let's just like hold on everything for now well you figure this out so yes definitely have been involved in situations like that but yeah this one's unfortunate because

[00:27:52] us you new genes are so young yeah and I don't think they probably don't even fully understand what's really going on and their parents also probably don't fully understand what's going on

[00:28:04] they are on the rise like they're the leading I would say the leading they are girl group for sure of the younger kind of generation at the moment yeah and so the timing of this sucks for them

[00:28:17] as well but I think what makes it worse is that Min Hee Jin obviously this whole group is her vision yeah and that's everything that's the music that's she chose the members

[00:28:31] yeah it's the styling it's it's the whole lore of their videos and stuff like all of that is led by her and so if she isn't there anymore what happens to them exactly and if the rumors are

[00:28:48] true and they get someone who's just like old blusters keep you know trying to recreate like like an african bottle here you can get someone like a just lackluster performance or lackluster

[00:29:00] just effort I mean it happens a lot like with you for example with Normani like she signed to a certain label had them the guy that was vouching for that he was like they're gonna give me more money

[00:29:09] and he dipped out and now she was in her situation for whatever I don't know I'm sorry it was messed up because people were like well the guy that brought you on is not here and you're not really like a

[00:29:19] priority and it happens a lot I oh this one well she also changed management um so I wouldn't just blame the label there I'm not blaming the label I'm not blaming the label but my point

[00:29:34] my point is an example of when the people leave that were like vouching for you or like really going hard for you it's like what do you do because it's just like you're scrambling and hoping that the next

[00:29:44] person that they usher in to work with you it's like yeah are you at least on the same page but yeah there's a lot of nuance to that sorry y'all awesome but yeah so it's tough and I feel bad

[00:29:54] for the girls obviously and it sucks because apparently if she did decide to try to leave because like you said everything is wrapped into centralized yeah yeah because it's all of them

[00:30:06] if she decides to leave she can't keep the name can't keep any of the deals can't keep nothing yeah not even the music which really sucks and I'm just trying to figure out why

[00:30:20] not even why but like what could she possibly do if she does happen to be able to kind of break away and take the girls with her because that's the whole I don't think she can like you

[00:30:31] can't just from the outside so okay from my understanding it's been really hard to fully understand what's going on here obviously neither of us speak Korean fluently yeah so we're just getting translations of things and I think the people who are translating it are likely not in

[00:30:46] the business so they're probably not actually understanding the nuances of like when they talk about the contracts and like who has what rights and stuff so yeah this is just based

[00:30:54] on what I think is happening so apparently Min Hee Jin and Adore while they are part of Hybe right she has full creative control on things and I think you only turn to Hybe to work on like

[00:31:09] budget allocations and timing of the releases just to make sure you're not conflicting with another artist under Hybe yes so like that's very similar to like here like the western side where like Sony oh has Epic and RCA and Columbia but like those three labels operate completely

[00:31:26] independently they're not consulting with each other at all really right yeah maybe just on like business administrative things but not creatively really yeah and then they only just make sure that their releases don't mess each other's up but like but then in this case

[00:31:42] obviously Hybe uh has been stepping in and Min Hee Jin has been showing the text messages and stuff she they talked about Laceraphim and how yeah New Genes was supposed to debut before Laceraphim

[00:31:56] or but then like a mess yeah like there was that whole thing too um so yeah it's a bit odd then you also have okay I also can't tell because I keep seeing on these like statements from New Genes

[00:32:10] parents but I can't tell if they're actually real statements or not because I don't they're not going to the press right like these are just people being like ooh like New Genes parents sent

[00:32:18] this email to yes whatever literally it's just like hearsay at this point it's just nothing's been like yeah you know with winter like winter's father apparently made a comment was like you know

[00:32:30] want to protect my baby I'm gonna destroy them like you know I was like a kind of like a dad like yeah being like you barely my baby alone but he put it on like a form and people

[00:32:37] over this is her dad this is not that situation anyone could be like Daniel's dad and as an email at gmail.com it's in the you know I'm saying or like at neighbor.com or down yes yes

[00:32:48] no one could do that so yeah but uh jokes aside though it is a shame but I was saying like in terms of like say if she could take them away which she cannot unfortunately they're wrapped

[00:32:58] into however many years of their contract that they're they're signed on for and if she does happen to quote unquote in a perfect world take the way she can't keep shnuffin as well I'll say

[00:33:07] the other word she can't say anything and then I feel like they're probably gonna out her they're probably going to get rid of her and if not they're probably going to not really probably try

[00:33:19] to bury the new jeans thing with like more releases less this less that from other like like more releases from their artists let you know I'm saying like I feel like there's going to be

[00:33:33] some blockage I must say there's gonna be like an outward like let's boycott this girl group I feel like it's not going to be as like let's put a lot of effort toward promoting and giving them the

[00:33:43] proper funds like just give them something good and not enough for them to but I think even if that were the case and things are really bad their music is really good um again I don't think

[00:33:53] many jeans will be able to stay like I don't in a perfect world they'll resolve it and everyone's happy but I don't think it's going to ever be the same like everyone's been

[00:34:01] airing dirty laundry at this point so I can't see it being yeah like a good turnout for the for new jeans if many jinn stays not saying that she shouldn't I'm not saying she shouldn't fight

[00:34:12] for her group but you know I'm like you understand what I'm saying like I feel like yeah he's gonna be funky if she stays and if she leaves it might still very well be funky

[00:34:22] but at least new jeans wouldn't be as like like their whole situation would be like at a risk you know well so it's interesting because again we don't know if all these text messages that

[00:34:34] have been leaked and stuff are real or not um but like Bang Bang see Hyuk right yeah that's the hype guy he seems like a very petty man according to all these things um so I think if she does

[00:34:51] leave I agree with you after all of this I don't see how they could like resolve their working relationship yeah I could see him though if she leaves if many jinn leaves he will just out

[00:35:08] of pettiness actually maybe actually make more resources towards them watch us kill yeah like I we don't need you to make this group super big okay even though there's all this previous stuff where he

[00:35:20] he actually apparently is not happy about their success and is like annoyed about it or whatever yeah um but I could see if he actually ends up being able to force her out that he actually

[00:35:30] would then give them the resources to be even more successful without her just out of pettiness okay yeah that's valid like it could go either way it could be either he's so petty and it's just

[00:35:40] like well f this group and I'm gonna screw you all over but he knows that the public so the public is actually at least in Korea apparently is mostly on her side

[00:35:51] um like people think he um is guilty of doing all these things and people have been pulling up other you know evidence of like things that he's done I guess yeah for other artists or against other

[00:36:04] artists um so I could see like just to save face I don't think he could completely screw new genes over okay right no it's valid yeah that's valid okay yeah so but musically then if they lose their

[00:36:19] like artistic creator creator creator creator yeah like you're right it's risky you could get people coming and just they're just like all right like 250 he'll like keep going yeah yeah that was valid

[00:36:36] yeah and then they're so the new genes members are so young yeah you know it's not like they're gonna suddenly be able to take on all the creative control like that's not gonna happen so I feel

[00:36:46] so bad because I mean I don't think there'll be like a fromis nine where it's like okay we're under high down nothing's happening by the past year I don't think they'll be like a fromis

[00:36:54] nine I don't think so but I also don't feel like I don't know man it's just it's funky I think they'll they'll be fine like you said I think the girls would be fine but me and me I don't think their

[00:37:06] creative director is going to stay that's my point I think yeah she can fight as long as she wants to I don't know how long she can keep that grip for you know I mean I really do think they

[00:37:16] would just need to like they just need a full agreement about who has yes who has the right to approve what like who has their right to decide what and if they get that very very clear that I think

[00:37:32] at that point it's just like okay like do your thing and make my company money because that's how I would think about it from yeah from Hybe's point right like it's like you're doing a good

[00:37:42] job do your thing yes yeah that is such a but again like if she was actually trying to leave and I could see why then you know they're like what are you doing you know yes yeah like trying to stop her

[00:37:54] yeah being like then leave them just don't take the kids yeah oh it's like a terrible divorce oh I don't like this poor girl I feel bad for them well I know Hayan is um not promoting with

[00:38:06] them right now um yes she had a foot injury right yeah yeah so at least she doesn't have to be out in the public eye dealing with all those crap right now but it's it's a lot for sure um but yeah

[00:38:18] like you said unless they can come with some firm boundaries in the contract that's stipulate x y and z I don't think miss he just gotta be there for long I don't I don't reckon she will be

[00:38:31] god you can look I want to stay with mom in the divorce yeah you can obviously you can but you know you can look I love mom more than I want to say with mom not dad that's fine but

[00:38:42] whatever the judge says in the situation is going to be what it is and I don't think the girls are gonna like give up their dreams even if they do some believe in mom I'll call her mom even they

[00:38:51] believe in her and they like want to stay with her I don't think they'll give up their dreams and if they did I'd be very impressed also um but I don't think it's gonna happen I think

[00:39:03] they'll probably stay if worst-case scenario she is ousted um they would probably stay mildly begrudging maybe begrudgingly stay but I think at the end of the day they have to think about

[00:39:16] what's best for the girls um and uh it's gonna be kind of hard when there's like some egos involved you're copying my girl group and it's just like are they really uh sonically I get the similarity

[00:39:28] that means just go harder do your best go like just be amazing but maybe it's not that simple maybe I'm just like simplifying it way too much but yeah I think at the end of the day you

[00:39:38] could think about the girls not the Cartier deals and all those other crap like that but whether there's money involved I guess you don't care about the kids at all alright so amidst the drama obviously we do luckily have some new new jeans tracks so let

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