In Part 2 of our POP 101 look at Girlicious, we dive into the group’s "Rebuilt" era - complete with a new sound and look as a trio. We break down the rollout of singles like "Over You," "Maniac," and "2 in the Morning," and how the group tried to redefine themselves beyond their reality TV origins. But despite the glow-up, label changes and behind-the-scenes tension led to their quiet breakup. We also revisit the mini-reunions that followed and share our personal highlights from a discography that still deserves more love.
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- 0:00 - Intro
- 0:14 - "Over You" and "Sexy B****"
- 5:06 - Natalie's arrest
- 7:03 - "Maniac"
- 12:39 - "2 In The Morning"
- 15:08 - "Rebuilt" album
- 20:40 - "Hate Love"
- 22:40 - Chrystina and Natalie's departure; split
- 28:09 - Mini-reunions and post-group activities
- 33:13 - Discography highlights
References:
- “Only You” Official Audio https://youtu.be/QcKYQ0sQ3gw?si=SEWYY8doTEzIll0J
- “Sexy Bitch” (David Guetta and Akon Cover) Official Audio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkka3LAB7ZU
- “Maniac” MV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgjwywlSrZ0
- “Maniac” Video Rehearsal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLLLQKEzXRU
- “Maniac” Live Fancam https://youtu.be/tmhVzFeH-cg?si=9iWDPQ3TsNReS7FV
- “2 In The Morning” Live Fancam https://youtu.be/nJirj_ALZ_s?si=mpmb8o47J1fA6poh
- Girls United - X Factor Audition https://youtu.be/tO1yM3MYtTE?si=jyLQvNAtWlj2d6gv
- Carli de Ville’s Girlicious Deep Dive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Mz2z6yJbQ
- Chrystina Sayers - Testimonial https://youtu.be/nKe-GpHuyPA?si=PlfAIqe4MM7uO8ue
- Natalie dancing “Like Me” https://www.instagram.com/p/C-yItK8yVfl/
- Queen Priyanka & Nichole Cordova performing “Like Me” and “Stupid S***” https://youtu.be/rixQtwTLVEc?si=ceXV9i4QFMYrK2vK
00:00:03 --> 00:00:25 After giving Tiffany the boot, the group planned to shift their sound, leaning more towards a dance pop and electro pop sonic. And as mentioned earlier, they signed a new record deal with Universal Music Canada. And Over You was the first single from the album and it was released on January 5th, 2010 and peaked at number 52 on the Canadian Hot 100.
00:00:29 --> 00:00:43 A teaser release, a cover of David Guetta's N.A. Con Sexy Itch, was also released digitally. I'm trying not to get bleeped, y'all. It is tough out here in these streets. Sexy chick, there we go. Yes. Yeah. Okay.
00:00:48 --> 00:01:02 Okay, so let's... What do you think of the shift to the new sound? Like, before we even get to the actual songs themselves, what do you think of that whole idea of changing their sound? Hmm...
00:01:02 --> 00:01:27 You know what? Okay, here's the thing, right? Dance pop. I'm not against it. Like I said, I was getting into I was into K-pop a little bit before this, but I remember to anyone coming out around this time. Yes. So I was like very much like, who are they? So the whole electro pop dance pop thing, I'm welcome. I'm open to it because that's what K-pop was doing as well. But I would say that this was giving generica.
00:01:27 --> 00:01:49 instead of hysterica you feel me so it was not it wasn't doing much i will say over you isn't a bad track like the girls were giving the strong vocals that you know like tiffany would give but all of them were trying to actually push it like christina now had to take on a full bit of a lot more work in terms of vocal performance um
00:01:49 --> 00:02:00 But, you know, at this point, I don't know why the apathy was so high with them. Maybe it's because of public perception. Maybe it's because there was no promo or lead up or anything like that to really...
00:02:01 --> 00:02:28 you know, show people like, hey, we're back. I'm trying to figure out what Canadians wanted. Like, why did they not get another, like, documentary or, like, a fun little variety show to gear everyone up for their comeback? It was just kind of like, here we are, popping out again, you know? So, I mean, it sounded like, I mean, just based on what ends up happening with this whole era, I'm going to guess that this next record deal is much smaller.
00:02:28 --> 00:02:58 Oh, Jesus. Because the whole promotional strategy is awful. Like, I remember, I mean, just looking through their YouTube channel, it's a mess. It's a mess. Like, what is that? They randomly posted Over You, you know, as just a static image of, like, the new logo. They also posted Sexy Chick as well, just very randomly. I think it was also just, like, randomly posted on SoundCloud and stuff as well. Wow.
00:02:58 --> 00:03:21 There was no, like, I mean, you mentioned K-pop. There were no, like, teasers. Oh, yeah. You know, there was no, like, oh, like, here's our new look. Here's our new hair. Here's our new thing. There was none of that. We got... Nothing visual came with over you. Yeah. You know? And so if you're just going... If you're going to make this whole deal, like, oh, this is our brand new sound, like, you got to...
00:03:21 --> 00:03:49 you can't just pop a song on SoundCloud. You know what I mean? No, you're so right. So yeah, I definitely think, because they were with what, Geffen before, and whatever, I guess the Canadian equivalent of that would be. And I'm sure it was a much bigger record deal for that first album. And then it got transferred to Universal Music Canada, where the budget's probably a lot tighter. So I think that affects both the quality of the promotions and the quality of the music also, to be very honest.
00:03:49 --> 00:04:17 because you just don't have as many resources you know what I mean but look I actually think Over You is decent I think it is a bit faceless again just because it it was just very saturated at the time this is what everyone was doing so I can see why the record label was like we want you to do this whole dance pop thing instead because that's just what's trending right now and out of the songs that come out of this era this is a highlight
00:04:17 --> 00:04:31 The chorus is very, very catchy. There's some sass there. Yes. You know, they all sound pretty good. The chorus is fun to sing along to as well. It is. It is. I don't think the song actually was the issue here.
00:04:31 --> 00:04:55 No, not at all. And the performances weren't the issue either. I think at this point, like, they were really getting shafted. Like, their look wasn't as tight, I don't think, either on this time either. So there was a lot of just, like, sloppiness going on and a little bit of a disconnect. You could see it in some of the live performances. Like, yeah, they're giving it, but they're not giving it together. They're just giving it, like...
00:04:55 --> 00:05:19 As three girls given it as opposed to the group. That's how I perceived it. But yeah, honestly, they were going through a lot. And in March 2010, Natalie was arrested and later pled guilty for felony drug possession. And then Christina would later say that this event was the start of the end for the group. So there's a lot going on.
00:05:19 --> 00:05:38 Too much going on. I remember that TMZ article actually coming out about Natalie. Oh. And, you know, a lot of people were talking about it. So, I mean, all publicity is good publicity? Question mark, I guess. But not really. You know, because, you know, the next singles didn't really do anything either. Oops.
00:05:38 --> 00:05:58 They already had this very, I hate the word trashy, but it just is the case, right? Reputation, yeah. Yeah. It was a very trashy reputation. Yeah. And from what I, it's mostly Christina that I've kind of heard her talk about it. Yeah. That their relationships were already not the best, but it was bad.
00:05:59 --> 00:06:21 Like, it was not good. They did not want to be associated with her, you know, because it made them look bad, too. That's tough. Oh, my goodness. Not okay. I mean, Christina's wasn't doing the right thing either. Apparently, she had got sued or reached out or got in trouble because she had...
00:06:22 --> 00:06:45 She had unpaid, like, taxi wages. That was later on. Okay. That was post-Girlicious. That was during her pre-CD era. Oh, right, right, right. But you know what? That's a testament. Like, not all of your ish was sweet, everybody. I think maybe because Natalie got caught, it was like, girl. Yeah. You can't get caught. That's exactly what it was.
00:06:45 --> 00:07:14 Because as Tiffany said, the other, you know, they were doing stuff, you know. Yeah, y'all were doing stuff. She said, I'm not supposed to be here. I'm a square. And it's so crazy because, like, the next single, Maniac, it was released on April 6, 2010. And it did reach number 74 on the Canadian Hot 100. I think it's interesting because, you know, they're behind bars.
00:07:14 --> 00:07:29 in the video in the video yeah like there was a behind the scenes special on set of the music video um and it was shown on Much Music again they're back on Much Music congrats to them at least they got some type of publicity but this video is giving kind of what's going on in the group it's falling apart yeah
00:07:29 --> 00:07:49 but they're pretending to be like really beautiful and perfect. And some of them are behind bars or have had stints in cages at one point or another. So it was just like, it's not too much going on. Too much going on. And then honestly, they were so young. Now that I think about it, they were all like what? 18, 19, 20.
00:07:49 --> 00:08:15 They were kids. They were literal kids, like fresh out of college. Wait, they were that young? I thought they were all in their, like, young 20s. Maybe young 20s. But even still, come on. Hang on. If you're listening to this and you can remember, if you can remember being 20, 21, 22, you tell me if you're making good decisions. And if you can't remember it, that means no. That means no. You were doing something. I mean, I can remember. I'd be raw dog in life. No subsistence. But my point is, I was not as...
00:08:15 --> 00:08:27 sound as I am now. And that's not saying much, but still, I feel like I'm more sound than I was when I was like in college, you know? So for them to kind of be famous at these young ages...
00:08:28 --> 00:08:49 it's tough and to be so influential and like not have your family around maybe that kind of like play the role um i mean that's what christina said yeah yeah it makes sense you know um maniac though it wasn't a bad song like what did you think about it not a bad song it's so good i was about to swear it's so good this song is so good i still
00:08:50 --> 00:09:20 And our PA, George, also said that this is his favorite single of theirs. And it should have done better. And I agree. I agree. What a moment. This is so good. I'm so glad I at least got a video. Yeah. You know? Yes. But I remember even hearing the song, actually, before the video. And I was like, oh, this has potential here. This could be a moment for them. This could be a breakthrough moment. And the video, they look so good. It's still kind of trashy.
00:09:20 --> 00:09:36 it's entertaining and they're killing oh my god yeah they looked really good together they're killing it that dance scene in the hallway oh my god is one of my absolute favorite just like girl group moments i think yeah this era of girl groups
00:09:36 --> 00:10:04 And the song itself, it's sexy, it's sassy, it's super catchy. So many hooks. They sound really, really good. Yeah. Like, you mentioned Christina's stepping up. Like, those ad-libs at the end, she's killing that. Yeah. It is such a good song, and it's crazy that it did so terribly. They did not have any big performance slots. You know, they had this much music behind-the-scenes thing, which was nice to watch. Right. They did actually attempt a...
00:10:04 --> 00:10:24 I guess what you would call a dance practice video now, but we only got like half the chorus. Half of it, yeah. And it was like taken from like the side. Yeah. And again, the UK would have eaten this up. You know what? Yeah. There's so much potential. This song is such a missed opportunity.
00:10:24 --> 00:10:49 It's a little sad. I'm not going to lie to you. I wasn't into K-pop at this point. I was deep. I'm only listening to K-pop. Nothing's as good as K-pop. Yeah, I was young. What can I say? But yeah, I think I didn't notice any of this happening. I do vaguely remember Maniac, though. The song and the video had a great deal of potential. I feel like...
00:10:49 --> 00:11:09 Christina did step up a bit, but I'm not sure if it was like a huge, big vocal moment that Tiff would have delivered, but it's not bad. This is one of the songs where I'm like, okay, you know what? You don't need her here. I get it. All right. I understand. You don't need her here. I can admittedly say, though, that three of them looked great together. Yes.
00:11:10 --> 00:11:30 It is what it is. I'm not saying that Tiffany would have looked good either. I think she would have looked delicious in this video. Yeah. But my point is, even without that member, they did look good together. I mean, Christina at one point had said in an interview, like, you know, like, it's just we look good together. And Robin did originally want three. So here it is. Yeah.
00:11:30 --> 00:11:52 And it looked good. The live performances were really high energy and entertaining to a certain extent. But, like, who was checking for them at this point? You know? And it sucks. Because it's like the sound they're making would fit in Europe. But Paradiso were doing Europe. And, like, the girls were for what? Canada? No offense, Canada. Y'all are great. But still trying to figure out...
00:11:52 --> 00:12:18 You know what? Where else can they go? So, yeah. I don't know. It's just unfortunate. But the video was delicious. Natalie's part, as usual, were fun. There goes the neighborhood. Love that line. It's not even that, like, cool. But it's, like, I love it. But this video, yeah. They're killing it. They're performing the crap out of it. Yeah. And, like, the whole, like, penitentiary thing. Great idea. Yes.
00:12:18 --> 00:12:40 It was. You know what else did it? Danny came with Bad Girl, and I loved it there, too. So come on now. Come on. Yeah. Well, Maniac did not do well on the charts. But Two in the Morning, which was the third single from the upcoming album, was released in August 2010 and spent nine weeks on the Canadian Hot 100 and peaked at number 35. It's two in the morning.
00:12:44 --> 00:13:01 So this did better. This was the highest charting single since Stupid-ish, which is good. Goodness. Ugh. Okay. So this one's cute. A dance track for the Clurbs. We like that. The La La La parts are nice. Yes. Sample? Question mark? Yes. Okay. Thank you.
00:13:02 --> 00:13:22 La la la la la. But yeah, I mean, I get that dance pop was on trend, but this song isn't like great. Like, it's at this point where I'm like, the Paradisco girls could have done this. You know what I'm saying? Like, again, again, I'm trying to figure out why she was splitting everything instead of being focused on one group. Like, literally, the girls could have had Patron Tequila. Yeah.
00:13:22 --> 00:13:51 They should have had Chord Gila. They were like, this record label was like, we want you to make our girl group. And then this label was like, we want you to make us a girl group. So she was like, okay. I think that's what it was. Goodness. Well, thank you for that. But ew. The song, I will say, has no personality in terms of like what's identifiable to the girl group. Except having Natalie's rap part. Like she is the, ooh, that's a different part of the group. Yes. And even now it's like, it's so K-pop. Like every K-pop group has that. So it doesn't even feel that special at this point either.
00:13:51 --> 00:14:20 Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, goodness. Yeah. Oh, I mean, they are the blueprint to somebody. And it seems like it's true. Yeah, it's true. I actually I'm very surprised. Robin Anton has never attempted to make a K-pop girl group. She is. Bro. Hang on. Hello, Robin. You have one shot. Do not miss your chance to blow. This opportunity comes once in a lifetime. You better. Yes. You know, that's right. Oh, my God. You're so right. OK. Yeah. Two in the morning. Yeah. It.
00:14:20 --> 00:14:39 Look, I can appreciate it for what it is, this very kind of basic, kind of faceless dance pop girl group track. Because like you said, it is catchy. The La La La La La sample is very memorable, and they execute it well. But it feels so safe.
00:14:39 --> 00:14:55 Yeah. Which, look, it did pretty well on the chart. So I guess safe worked in this case. Yeah. Yeah. But who are they? But yeah, is this a song that I think about ever? No. But would I skip it if it came on?
00:14:55 --> 00:15:13 No. No. No. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yes. Oh, goodness. That's a shame. Hey, CCTV crew. Just wanted to pop in here and let you all know that I got invited to the Roots picnic. And if you don't know what that is, it's a legendary hip hop and R&B festival. And I know you're like, what?
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00:15:41 --> 00:16:09 This was all leading up to the group's newest album, and on November 22nd, 2010, Rebuilt. The group's second album was released, and the album not only reflected the new dance pop sound, but the creative process was different this time around as well because the members were able to contribute lyrics and determine vocal distribution. The album includes all the singles that we've mentioned up until this point, and the deluxe version included Drank,
00:16:09 --> 00:16:38 which had appeared on the Jersey Shore soundtrack earlier in the year. Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay, so, well, first off, let me shout out Pop Music Activism, because they worked very hard to get this album on streaming platforms worldwide. Unfortunately, the U.S. was not included in that worldwide, because the rights, I guess they still had rights with Geffen or something with this album. I don't know how it worked. Or the new record deal was for everywhere except for the U.S. or something like that. Like...
00:16:38 --> 00:16:50 There's all these nuances, right? Oh, my gosh. So, unfortunately, we cannot legally listen to Rebuilt here in the U.S. at this point. Everything you hear now is all speculated.
00:16:50 --> 00:17:10 Sure. Speculative review. Sure. Yes, we're guessing what these songs sound like. But anyway, look, I'm glad the rest of the world, you know, if they're in the mood for some girlicious, that they can get both albums. Yes. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. The second album...
00:17:11 --> 00:17:20 Speculatively It's only okay It's only okay The first album Is so much better Maniac is the clear Standout for me Yeah Yeah
00:17:21 --> 00:17:46 Um, like, it's great that the girls got to write a bit this time. I did look at the credits. Yeah, they did have a few tracks on here that they all took part in. But it's all just a bit disjointed. And, you know, we were naming all these songs from the first album that could have been singles. There's none of that here. Oh, Jesus. It's all quite fillery. Um, I will say I did start laughing quite a lot during the Sorry Mama intro. Um.
00:17:46 --> 00:17:52 Because I wasn't really sure what they were apologizing for at first. And they're all like,
00:17:53 --> 00:18:17 I'm so sorry. I like to party. And it's like... Yes. Oh, okay. That's what this dramatic-ass ballad is for. And then the next song is... I mean, look, it's Kesha. It's stupid-ish 2.0, right? And that's what Drink was, too. And, you know, they got the opportunity to go on the Jersey Shore soundtrack. That...
00:18:17 --> 00:18:37 Branding makes sense. You know what? Yeah, that does. Oh, dang. Yeah, I will say, it does feel like they're kind of battling a few identities here then, because maybe they should have just gone the really trashy Kesha route. Yeah. And done more of this, like, what my mama don't know and drink kind of thing. Yep, on this album, yeah. Because some of the other songs...
00:18:38 --> 00:18:57 You get these just kind of bland R&B tinged mid-tempos and stuff. And yeah, most of the songs, I've listened to the album so many times this past week, and I barely can sing most of them back to you other than the singles. I will say there were two bonus tracks...
00:18:57 --> 00:19:20 on the deluxe version these arms and game over which were way better than the rest of the album so i just am very confused by all of that and again i was reading some you know fan comments and stuff from back in the day and apparently there were a bunch of other leaks from these sessions too that were way better than what ended up on the album so just very odd i don't really understand this album it's very disjointed
00:19:20 --> 00:19:37 You know what? I agree with you. I think the biggest issue with this album was the chasing trend situation. I think it was less about finding our artistic identity and more about we don't want to lose this chance that we've been given.
00:19:37 --> 00:19:58 um because like your competition came from the same you know mom i guess in so many words like like the ron perl is it who pearlman they're not ron perlman wrong person like lou perlman and his bsb in sync into the next boy group into after a while it got diluted and it started it stopped having its own sound and it was just fishy
00:19:58 --> 00:20:24 Like, this is what's happening here. Like, okay, at first, this seems like a cute concept, but now it's extra watered down. It's extra fishy. It's extra spread thin. It's not good. I mean, drink is a great trash pop sound. I mean, if I don't get a drink, you ain't seeing pink. That is an absolute mess and a half of a line. But, honey, it makes you think. They're rapping that song, though.
00:20:24 --> 00:20:52 where the guy's like i'm only five five it's hard for me to get a drink it's like i now smell and i worked so hard to get you this drink i was like this is the least sexy rap i've ever heard that's hysterical you're right it's so bad but that first couple lines you know after the first verse is decent but after you're right it does get stupid after that um that is so funny he's like i'm pleading my case i'm like like an average height woman yeah i smell like a yeti or whatever
00:20:52 --> 00:21:20 Oh my God. Ugh, so whack. But yeah, I think What My Mama Don't Know was good too. Like, it actually was like fun. Yeah. But yeah, Maniac was kind of, like you said, a standout for sure. It was. And they were too busy chasing trends and mimicking other people's sound. Because you have that single, Hate Love, the final single from the album that was released to radio in February 2011 and it peed at number 59 on the Canadian Hot 100.
00:21:24 --> 00:21:31 I mean, thank goodness that it did, because literally it sounded just like, I mean, like the drum pad sounded just like Umbrella.
00:21:33 --> 00:22:01 I mean, it's almost distracting. That is literally the beat from Umbrella. It's so bad. It's like not even an imitation. It's like literally a complete copy. It's like so distracting. And it doesn't even match the song itself. Nope. That's the biggest issue with it. It actually detracts from the song itself. Because I actually think this is one of the stronger songs on the album. I think it was a fan favorite, which is why it was chosen as that final single. There's some good harmonies in there that...
00:22:01 --> 00:22:20 hate love hate hey hey love like that it's catchy they sound good the lyrics are pretty well written um but yeah i i saw no promo for this i don't think they've ever performed it even at their gigs um we didn't even get like a lyric video we got nothing like everything that i could find is fan made you know oh my gosh
00:22:20 --> 00:22:41 What a mess. You know what? I don't think the song is that good. It's a little faceless. It feels a little force. Like, please like us. So I'm this way. Sorry. You can see it on their face when they're performing too. Like, I was watching some performances and Christina was being a little passive aggressive. In my way.
00:22:41 --> 00:23:11 Like she'll be like, oh, you guys aren't paying attention. Like, oh, you guys aren't having a good time. Wait, really? Yeah, I forgot what the performance was. But yeah, they were performing. From this era? Yeah, they were performing Maniac. It was, they did Like Me. Like the older songs as well. But I was just like, yeah, yeah. I mean, shout out to the fans. I love that you had all these fan cams from back in the day. Oh my God, yes. Because otherwise we would see no performances of these songs. They had no television appearances. Everything we can see from this era is a fan cam.
00:23:11 --> 00:23:33 Oh my God. Yeah. Ooh, honey. They were an independent group at this point. So shortly after the singles release, it was announced that both Christina and Natalie had left girl Licious with only Nicole remaining and hinting at new members joining. And there were some rumored lineups and noise of new music throughout the 2012, but nothing ever materialized.
00:23:34 --> 00:23:56 Yes, so following the group, Nicole auditioned for X Factor with a different girl group, Girls United. And I believe they released a few music videos and stuff as well. Christina and Natalie both had stints as potential members of the Pussycat Dolls in its various failed post-Nicole Scherzinger lineups. And since then also, Christina has released...
00:23:56 --> 00:24:08 A few solo songs. She had a failed Kickstarter attempt as well to release an EP. And Natalie has also released some solo stuff as well as some music with her sisters.
00:24:09 --> 00:24:27 Yes, the Mejia sisters. So what a mess. The girls were, they were wasted. I wonder why like they were not able to pick up, they were unable to pick up some of the pieces of their themselves, their lives. And it's a shame that they were unable to stick together. Mm-hmm.
00:24:28 --> 00:24:40 to figure something out. Like we like each other enough to try to like, be like, Oh, F this. We'll figure it out on our own. It was more just like, well, it's not working for me. So let's go. Um, I wonder what the plans for Nicole were. Um, I,
00:24:40 --> 00:25:06 Like, obviously, girl issues will have new members, but, like, how can you do that? Like, why not? I mean, don't give up. Was Solo the way to go for her at this point? I mean, you're signed to Canada. Like, was that the way to go for her? Again, Robin should have just... Look, Pussycat Dolls is dead, right? What's the point in attempting Pussycat Dolls 2.0? Paradiso Girls. Also, what's the point, right, at this point? GRL, I guess, was...
00:25:06 --> 00:25:27 eventually going to be created right gRL was not a thing just yet here i don't think but again why are you putting your efforts into four different groups when you can now just put it all into one yep but no still trying to scatter the best of each group best paradiso girl best religious member yeah best potential gRL member yep there you go
00:25:27 --> 00:25:37 I mean, I think she tried? Question mark? I mean, but not really, right? Because like, some of the girls who were in Pussycat Dolls and its various failed lineups eventually ended up in GRO.
00:25:38 --> 00:26:04 Yeah, like Lauren Bennett from Paradiso. Yeah. And another member of GRL, like before they were made, GRL was also, like they're all like in a video together for the Super Bowl. Yes, and Christina was in that. She was in that too. Exactly. So it's like they tried to do it, but it was just so noncommittal. Yeah, yeah. Like, oh my God. I will say going back to before the split, I did find, shout out to Pop Justice for these tweets that I found. Nicole tweeted Natalie. Oh. Oh.
00:26:05 --> 00:26:21 And this was like about a few months before the split. Yeah. And she said, sorry about soundcheck. I realize you are battling addiction and that you're too high on coke to comprehend who sings what. Truce. Wow. Oh, that's dirty.
00:26:22 --> 00:26:41 So the feud was public The fans could see it And also The announcement of Christina and Natalie Is like the saddest It's like a Facebook post And it only has like 100 likes It's like so sad
00:26:41 --> 00:27:07 oh my gosh yeah that's like us feeling we had cctv's over that we expected a couple hundred but now we're like an international girl group but y'all don't only get a hundred that's that's sus yeah again i think everyone was kind of mentally checked out at this point like yeah and it's a shame like they were just saying you know looking back now on that show it's like were they really nice girls i don't know were they really like
00:27:08 --> 00:27:19 Yeah. Like, and they were pretty and they were talented and they were in L.A. Like, I don't know. Obviously, they all came from different places. Right. But you have to have a certain kind of personality type to really...
00:27:19 --> 00:27:41 to have survived back then. Like now it's okay if you're a little wonky doodle, you know, a little quirky back then you had to be like, I'm going to win this. I'm going to blah, blah, blah. I am that girl. I'm going to, you know, and unfortunately you get these crazy personalities or like personalities that are a little, you know, catty. Cause that wasn't nice. Yeah. But again, also,
00:27:41 --> 00:28:00 Mental health also was just so not a thing back then. People weren't thinking about, like, psychologically, how do we make this group get along? You know what I mean? Like, that was not, unfortunately, a thing. That led to the demise of literally all of these pop groups that we've talked about on this show. Oh, my God. So it's just like...
00:28:01 --> 00:28:16 How has it... I mean, it's barely even happening now. You know? So it's like, how is this... Just this recurring thing going on? And just these record label people, these managers, they just never learn.
00:28:16 --> 00:28:36 No, they blame it on the girls. It's the girls' fault. Yeah, like, you cannot put people... Like, it's not normal to be famous. It's not normal to be put in Hollywood surrounded by drugs, you know? And it's like, you have to help someone through this situation, like, or they're gonna fall apart, which is what happened here. Like, it's just a story, like, a tale as old as time, as they say.
00:28:36 --> 00:29:02 Yep, tail as old as time. Girllicious lost their shine. Oh. Ooh. All right, so since the split, there has been a few personal, like, reunions amongst the ladies and a few callbacks to the Girllicious days, such as in 2017, Nicole, Natalie, and Tiffany reunited and posted a picture on Instagram.
00:29:02 --> 00:29:26 In 2022, a picture of Natalie, Christina, and Alyssa from the Girl Licious TV show was posted on Instagram. Unfortunately, in the years past, Christina has posted some anti-LGBTQIA opinions on her social media. And now none of the girls follow her on social media anymore. I mean, Robin still follows all of them. Christina follows none of them.
00:29:26 --> 00:29:45 Yeah. The three girls, Nicole, Tiffany, and Natalie all follow each other. So like, yeah, here it is. The other girls still interact on social media once in a while. Like we said, they are now willing to talk about some of the stuff. Like, Natalie, for instance, posting about
00:29:45 --> 00:30:13 her daughter dancing with her to songs, you know, baby doll. And then Natalie, um, posting like me choreography. So it's nice. And then recently in November, 2024, Nicole performed it like me and stupid ish with queen Priyanka, the drag queen, um, from Canada. Um, and if you guys are wondering what happened to Tiffany and all those years, she was homeless and then was doing art and Ray J of all people, Brandy's little brother, Whitney Houston's former lover, um,
00:30:13 --> 00:30:38 little kim's former lover as well uh who strangely enough is the one that gave tiffany a re like a chance at like her second act essentially as an artist she's now doing a lot of paintings glass work yeah um literally be uh beyonce's daughter blue ivy and tyler perry were like like battling for her art so i mean i think she is the most successful success like the
00:30:38 --> 00:31:06 biggest success story out of girl licious for sure thankfully because she got did the dirtiest i would say um so she definitely deserved her comeuppance it's so interesting seeing who came back to it who like left it was like f this who completely denounces their history it's been interesting watching that i would say um i didn't even nicole i didn't even know nicole was like still chilling out with robin anton but on occasion they get together and
00:31:06 --> 00:31:21 Dance. You know, dance. Yeah. So I always said, actually, when, because I was a big dumb blonde fan with Aubrey and Shannon from Dan and E. Cain. I was like, when that whole, all that crap happened with Shannon, I was like, Aubrey and Nicole should team up.
00:31:22 --> 00:31:41 Oh, that would be cute. They could be dumb blonde. It could work. That would be cute. It could work. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, like we said, all four of them are actually very talented. Yeah. So, you know, this just is how it is. Like, very few people actually make it. Yeah.
00:31:41 --> 00:32:01 in this industry like that is the case and i do think they had so much potential they really really did um as a group like maybe not in the u.s but i feel like in the rest of the world like i feel like australia could work in asia could work uk as i said so it's just a little sad it's a little sad
00:32:01 --> 00:32:23 I think so, too. And it's a shame what's going on with some of the rhetoric as well. But I mean, I think what ends up happening a lot, people don't realize that when you do get involved in the industry, you have to be yourself, someone with a great resolve. Like, I know there's a lot of things that happen, the temptation and such, but I also believe that there are certain choices that we all need to make.
00:32:23 --> 00:32:39 or should have been made to protect ourselves, um, and keep bigger picture. But like you mentioned, mental health was not a thing. So maybe they were really going through some stuff and they were like, this is the only way I can cope, um, is by doing all these things, uh, these substances. Um, yeah.
00:32:40 --> 00:32:56 Yeah, I think it's so cool that Priyanka pulled Nicole on stage, honestly. I think that was an awesome moment for her. And she did a great job. Yep, she still has it. Because those people, the ladies are in their 40s, if I'm not mistaken, or like pushing the 40s, you know? And it's like, it's so...
00:32:56 --> 00:33:26 interesting to see how life has gone for them, you know? Because I'm pretty sure they probably still have a little bit of like, I want to do this, I want to do that, but they have shifted into other things in their lives, and they seem happy, but I do wonder what would have happened if they, like you said, had a better international following elsewhere. I think crap probably would have, like, they probably would have broken up anyway, but the girlish's name probably would have been able to kind of last, almost like with the Sugar Babes, like someone mentioned. As long as you have one,
00:33:27 --> 00:33:37 You know? They weren't big enough at that point, though. You know what I mean? And Nicole came back with two new members. Like, didn't even have a big enough following that anyone would really care about.
00:33:37 --> 00:34:07 That's valid. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So maybe that could have been like their third slash first coming. Oh, Lord. A mess. It wasn't meant to be, I suppose. It was not. Unfortunately not. So heartbreaking. Yes. But we still have some good music that will live on forever. So before we close this out, we always give a little discography highlight. So what would you like to highlight for our listeners? The track I'm going to shout out is Do About It from the first album.
00:34:11 --> 00:34:41 This song is so fun. And it's a great pop track. I think the harmonies is what really sets it apart. Like, it's one of those songs where it's like we can actually sing. We were made up on a show. We had to sing almost every episode. And we were forced to learn harmonies from this one vocal director guy. Here's the work from that. It sounds like Dandy Cain as well, which I'm never going to be upset about. Dandy Cain is a great framework for any girl group. I think now if anyone wants to come back and make girl group music, Dandy Cain.
00:34:41 --> 00:35:09 Like, absolutely, Destiny's Child, yes, totally. But, like, in terms of, like, fun, hip, yeah. Everyone shines on the track as well. The production has drama in the strings, and it was a great opener to this album. It could have been a single, honestly. Could have been a single. Yes, it makes an impact for sure. Yes, definitely a highlight. And the fan cam performances are great of this song. Oh, my God, yes. I almost forgot. Yes. Okay, so I will also shout out one from the first album. I will do Still in Love featuring Sean Kingston.
00:35:15 --> 00:35:43 So yeah, as I mentioned earlier, definitely one of their biggest missed opportunities for me. Because this song is so catchy. Like, I feel like every time I listen to this album, it's just such a standout. Because it's very different from everything else. It's warm. It's got this kind of, like, groove to it. And Sean Kingston was so hot at the time. Right. This could have been a hit, just from having him on it. Because people liked his vibe. Yeah. You know?
00:35:43 --> 00:36:12 And yeah, I think it shows a little kind of a softer side to them. Oh, yeah. And I think the execution is great. Like Nicole and Christina on the verses. The ad-libs are really good. Tiffany leading the chorus. Yeah. Like really, really well executed, I think, could have been a hit. What a waste, what a waste. Girlicious fans, what is your favorite track? Let us know. Because right now, class is dismissed.
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