Debut Battle! Stray Kids vs GOT7 vs 2PM (JYP)

[00:00:00] And the ad-libs are so extra. I love it. I get so much fun. We're done with the world! This is cool! We are kind of like, it's just like, oh, okay, okay. It makes my heart race more, but not in a good way.

[00:00:15] Do you know what I mean? Like, if not like, I'm like chilling doing work and then that song comes on, it like adds stress to my life. Viewer discretion is advised. Your fave will be criticized. That's Chan. That's Chris. And this is CCTV The Nonstop Pop Show.

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[00:01:18] And of course, pop-off is meant for pure fun, so don't take it too seriously. Actually come join us and let us know in the comments what wins for you. All right? So today we're heading to JYP, which is one of Korea's biggest music companies.

[00:01:34] And we're discussing the debut title tracks of their three boy groups, 2PM, GOT7 and Stray Kids. So let's get ready to- Drumroll! Round one. All right, first in the ring is 2PM with Player One. Written and produced by JYP Park Jin Young himself. It was released in 2008.

[00:02:02] Ah, yes. So the first round is all about the song itself. Yes. And this is peak second gen K-pop. You know, this song has, I don't know if it stood the test of time in terms of like

[00:02:19] sonic quality, production quality, but in terms of memorableness and just nostalgia. It definitely stuck. I forgot how I first heard the song. Maybe during like a variety show or something. I just saw people going like this or something.

[00:02:36] But for the longest time I thought again and again was the group's debut because I found them by way of JY- or J Park when he went solo. I didn't even know he was in this group until I like, deep-dived.

[00:02:45] But yeah, I remember that Heartbeats was my first four-way into this group and it's crazy to see like how intense they got starting out from this very like almost cheesy kind of approach to, you know, I guess not even a love song. Like a debut.

[00:03:01] Like this kind of debut was very typical back then where he talked about like a loved one or something that you want to be with or something like that. It wasn't like how it is now where it's like, this is who I am making a stand. Yeah, yeah.

[00:03:13] You know, it's like that, you know? But yeah, you can totally hear the JYP style. Like, oh my god, he literally got seven of himself. Is this seven? Shoot, wow, let me sing. Yeah, seven of himself. Seven selves and just, oh my god, his singing styles is so...

[00:03:31] Damn. I'm not saying it's terrible but it's one of those things where it's just like, the JYP right, the song. Especially when you hear like Hu Young singing or something like that. It's just like, oh, he's like a baby JYP.

[00:03:41] But yeah, I think, oh god with their raps. God, you know, and those ad-libs at the end, they are so him. It's nice that this song kind of has like this little like interesting mix between like,

[00:03:56] I guess with this little fake rock situation and then like hip hop and stuff because JYP was really interested in like R&B and hip hop but K-pop wasn't as global as it is now.

[00:04:05] Because you can hear him kind of like throwing that in with the vocal stylings and he is so lucky. So lucky. That he has Jinsu and Junho as like main and lead vocals because at least they have tones that are

[00:04:17] distinct and don't sound like Hu Young who sounds like JYP sometimes and then Chen Sung, see me? Who wasn't that good of a singer, you know, and then you have two other rappers. So like I said, the organization of this group is very interesting

[00:04:31] and I do not know where he was coming from but I mean, what can you do? I will say the lyrics are probably like the most interesting part. Yes, what do you think? The song has a level of thirst that's a little bit more than I would like

[00:04:44] but there's this one line, I really should, it's a couple, but there's one line where it goes my eyes don't look away, it makes no sense. This is dirtier than those animations and I was like,

[00:04:57] I get that you're talking about the girl's body but why are you comparing her to like Japanese, not even Japanese but like at the time I guess that was really popular like the anime, the dirty animations. I'm like, why is that in your lyrics?

[00:05:09] Yeah, it is really interesting, right? K-pop used to be way not dirtier but at least just more forward like now it's so clean or like they attempt to make it seem really clean even when there are

[00:05:22] still songs that are clearly about not as clean things but back then it was and you know we'll get into more with like the video and stuff but like they were very open about their sexuality

[00:05:32] Oh my gosh you're so right like talking to a woman wasn't going to turn into this whole like you know Defconn 1 situation. Right, yeah I will say though I don't see how a bunch of

[00:05:44] like douchey guys singing lyrics like this is appealing to young girls but apparently it works you know but I personally just I don't fully get that and we see more of this as we get into

[00:05:56] other songs too but like anyway yeah I also haven't heard this in years I also discovered 2pm a little later on right like more 2010, 2011 uh so yeah I wasn't around in the k-pop fandom for their debut

[00:06:11] so I also heard this retrospectively and I don't like it to be very clear. I will say though that's very very catchy like I think the whole chorus is fun like it is asking

[00:06:27] for crowd participation like I'm sure it's fun in their concerts to have everyone chanting that and I do appreciate kind of what you were saying where it is just a little sillier also it's a little lighter it's not that intense it's just kind of like a bunch of

[00:06:41] young guys being douchey. Like an elevator like the chants oh no oh no oh man the production though I actually do think it's fun I like the little vocal loop I like the really over the top synth

[00:06:56] because that's just so JYP you know and yeah the fake guitars of course add that kind of weird rock element to it too I just think it's funny me you know it's JYP he's like always

[00:07:09] just so extra with everything yeah he's kind of camp at times and yeah it's very he's very camped and I find it fun that's what made k-pop so fun to get into back then yeah because it was

[00:07:21] so different from kind of what we were listening to like now you know it's a little more like you can hear the influences very clearly on the current western music but back then

[00:07:32] it was like a few years late right like it'd be like you'd hear influences from the song that's from like five to ten years prior in the western world so yeah for the vocals I agree with

[00:07:43] you about JYP is just vocal styling or vocal preferences I guess because he is you're right like woo young right is a perfect example of everything because it either gets very breathy

[00:07:56] or gets very throaty or it's a mixture of both yeah yeah it's like but you know I think they do a good job with what they were given like there is a lot of range so oh my god kind of in the

[00:08:08] song yeah there's a lot of attitude in it there's confidence in there like I think they execute it well without it being too cheesy because it is very cheesy but it's not so cheesy that it

[00:08:20] gets like super annoying in that way and the ad-libs are so extra I love it they get so much fun you know again I've been JYP and also shout out to Nikkun for being like the like the Thai member

[00:08:33] you know oh my god that bridge that makes me laugh when the horns come out of nowhere it's those horns man yeah you know what at the end of the day it's not for me this song

[00:08:45] yes but it's fun like I understand what it's going for yes it hasn't aged very well but it's a fun start it's fun to watch them back now that we know kind of where they grew up to be so

[00:08:58] absolutely you know it's a funny side note I blame Beyonce for those horns I was in she did that with the oh interesting interesting I will say though JYP at least not so much I think with the newer

[00:09:11] groups and stuff but back then he was kind of also known to like cast mainly for looks as well right oh I thought you know the running joke I thought was like he doesn't really cast for

[00:09:24] look but it's more of a sm thing but you know now that I think about it you're right sm was more vocal-y and then yeah JYP was vocals and then somehow they switched or not switched but like

[00:09:33] now you can let all us sm face or like JYP is like oh they're nice looking but they're really talented so it's like they kind of know it's JYP was more looks back then that makes sense

[00:09:43] that makes sense yeah that sounds good vocal too that's what I mean because at the end of the day like yes there are some you know like you there are decent singers in here but all of them are very

[00:09:55] musically talented but they're a very good looking group like as a whole so you kind of see what they're going for I guess this is true as if you have a good looking groups uh go on to the next

[00:10:06] player yes player two we have got seven with girls girls girls can't even sing it awful sorry that spoiler player two so girls girls girls was also written and produced by JYP

[00:10:23] and this was released in January of 2014 so we're now six years after 2pm almost yeah five and a half and I remember really hating this when it came out of here crying I hated it why why did you hate this

[00:10:40] Chris it's back to kind of the same thing like I don't I don't see why a bunch of douchey cocky guys is appealing in anyway like that's just not my thing it's the confidence you know but this one takes

[00:10:54] it to a whole other level like at least with the 2pm one there was kind of a silliness to it this one is it they're taking themselves so seriously on this like they're literally like

[00:11:03] I'm effing amazing all the girls love me period and there's like no like there's no joke there like there's no like irony there you know what I mean like there's literally like nothing to bring that back to a humble level at all like it's literally just

[00:11:20] girls love me period big dot yeah that production wise it is interesting we just said at the time we kind of take influences from western music years prior to that and this one you can

[00:11:34] hear like the timbuland kind of influence there with that beat like you could easily hear like Nelly Furtado singing that like female vocal loop in the back do you know what I mean it's from

[00:11:44] that time it fits in with like the promiscuous so like that sounds like kiss me through the phone so like yeah I have both I have like a pop song of that that time yeah yeah also kiss me

[00:11:56] through the phone oh my gosh yeah that singular synth that runs through the production though is kind of annoying like it's really like yeah like really great in the ear and yeah the melody overall I just find it kind of annoying what the

[00:12:18] how does it course how does the blue scores go oh oh yeah that over and over again I'm just like okay like that was there appears is lazy hip hop phase again this is not for me the most interesting part of

[00:12:35] the song is probably when the drums switch up for that last kind of rap moment for Bam Bam and I think a mark for those last two rap verses that's when I'm kind of peeked my interest a little bit

[00:12:44] but yeah this is not for me they're much better got seven songs I'm crying so I remember this came out I was like definitely not super young but I was like just out of high school

[00:12:57] any whoodle doodle oh my goodness I was obsessed I was obsessed I was obsessed enough to buy the album I should have brought my album out for this review it was like a chocolate tin the way

[00:13:11] the album was like the packaging it's a plastic star uh the same with their old logo and you could open it it was like a plastic tin I'm like what if uh a chocolate tin and I was like what the heck

[00:13:21] is going on but I was so happy I wasn't happy I got a Bam Bam card though no offense he was just too young he was my bias anyway this song is a lot less thirsty and it was more about the Rizzo

[00:13:30] Young stud you know like I said I think the whole confidence of having someone be like I could whatever so in that caring and being non-celan that was very much like a very cool style before the whole

[00:13:42] age of no you're worth an everything in it like me I don't really like guys like this but there are a batch of people in the world male female they them whoever who like people who don't give a flying

[00:13:52] f whether or not they exist and they want that person's attention so this song very healthy yeah I was never I was never the time like he wasn't like me I don't

[00:14:03] mm it sounds like torture but some people do like that whole I'm gonna get this like the chase is interesting to them and I think this approach was better because it made them sound you know young young women's or young whomever is kryptonite because it was just like

[00:14:17] the girls girls girls they love me a lot of the lines in this song are very see my thing is I like when men talk about how confident they are maybe because I just

[00:14:26] you know with the hip hop thing I kind of just grew up with like hearing that with with pop music was more like okay you broke my heart or like I want you for who you are but

[00:14:34] with hip hop it was like I'm gonna get this girl I'm gonna get that girl and that was the vibe here with this for sure like the whole swag era Jesus have mercy oh I'm glad it died as soon

[00:14:47] as it did but during this time with three western quote-unquote Western three like more westernized members jyp was definitely like trying to hop on it like the look at the time it was okay I know I know but they look they look back on this the way that

[00:15:10] newie fuck actually talking with it just like oh my god what the hell are we doing you know and then there's one line that jyp has and he goes like this girl that girl uh how do you like every

[00:15:20] like all day like all day he's just dealing with girls all the time now not the greatest thing ever to hear but you know it was just confident and like you said the rap section was probably the best one

[00:15:31] because a the raps got way better and I'm not sure if jyp wrote them himself if he did he definitely got better congratulations if he didn't thank god for stepping aside but I would think at the time

[00:15:40] having two tone rappers were really cool like having a high tone and a low tone rapper was like trying at the time and it's cool because I remember hearing band bams I was like oh wow his flow was

[00:15:50] really cool you know it kind of has like a little triplet so they like the me goes kind of trap style and then you had mark who had the deeper voice like this is before Felix at the time the holes

[00:16:00] went crazy okay I'm not saying people are hoes but I'm just saying the girls were going crazy oh my god his voice is so deep like so yeah and I think the way the way the production

[00:16:11] is going there's a oh oh man I think I'm not mistaking it is a sample from wonder girl which is kind of giving it that more hip hoppy kind of feel that he was going for so I appreciate the

[00:16:20] kind of callback that's cool and then oh my gosh like the boys are so hot oh oh man oh boy they're so cute oh oh man but simplistically speaking like the just lyrically speaking the song is

[00:16:31] really simple in terms of melody but it lets you know who the boys were and like what what kind of approach you're gonna be taking like we're good looking guys and you know what we

[00:16:38] know it get on the board but you're saying no I'm not getting on board which is hilarious to me and yeah oh we didn't really talk about the vocals first off it is interesting to hear

[00:16:46] Jackson sing oh yeah in his like super husky kind of like they oh yeah so that's interesting yeah I think the whole vocal production of it it's interesting to hear the progression from 2pm

[00:17:01] because you can obviously still hear that kind of throaty breathiness that I was just mentioning for 2pm yeah but the way it's produced it's more like I don't know what it is with the way J.Y.P

[00:17:13] songs were produced at the time like it was very I'm thinking it feels not that Ross I don't know what I don't know the right word oh I know you don't try to say

[00:17:23] you know what I noticed I think when you sing like that what ends up happening even when I'm doing it now I'm looking at my interface it's like stop I'm going to peak

[00:17:32] when you have high vocals and pushy vocals like that you know how much is mixing and adjusting you have to do to make sure that it sounds good with the track so I think because these guys

[00:17:40] would actually sing I remember like duh was it J.J. Project I didn't know Jinyo was gonna be singing him singing his voice is so much smoother as a singer than it is a rapper he ends up

[00:17:49] just free rapping but when he sings it's smoother than J.B. he has like a very blurry voice already so it's kind of like it just it sounded a lot more smoother and not like hey we had

[00:17:58] the process this song all the way down right you know like I feel like a lot of these guys were a little bit more pop hip hop influenced as opposed to like the R&B like Jin Siu was definitely like

[00:18:09] you know oh gosh it's not as like soulful I don't know if that's the right word but yeah not as soulful as 2 p.m. yeah yeah this one was a bit more pop maybe yeah maybe that is what it

[00:18:21] is that it was kind of more just like kind of straightforward with yeah with how they were singing it so anyway that was like trying to figure it out look at us is what the show's about you

[00:18:30] know talking about not just the music but the mixing and all other good stuff I love our show so on to our final contestant Stray Kids their debut song is District 9 player 3 done by Sriracha

[00:18:45] aka Bang Chan Changbin and Han along with Trippie and it was released in 2018 and is noted that Stray Kids did release elevator as a pre-debut track in January 2018 but since the entire mix tape

[00:19:00] release is noted as a pre-debut release we're going to count District 9 as the official debut track which I am so far from okay do you like District 9 though? you know I'm not gonna lie to

[00:19:15] I won't say no yeah and because literally I did not hear this song until like a week of us decided when we're gonna do this yeah interesting yeah because what ended up I heard elevator

[00:19:31] and I forgot what other group was out at the time I think it was like 17 monster X but I got into 17 around this time so I was like uh-uh monse monse monse yeah I was over there in like

[00:19:41] carrot land so now coming back and listening to it retrospectively yeah what an upgrade I mean they had day six in between and unfortunately day six is an actual band

[00:19:53] and not a like a boy band like an actual boy band and not a boy group like this traditionally speaking so we can't really talk about them but I liked day six so I was already kind of like

[00:20:02] not really paying attention to these guys anyway and they were made on a show that I wasn't gonna watch but I kind of like regret not watching the show because like I saw clips of it and I was like

[00:20:10] these guys are actually really talented and seeing that see that I worked on the music it's actually pretty not it's not bad they knew what was popular at the time the song is catered to the voices that

[00:20:19] are involved and from what I saw like from watching like a episode a couple episodes of the straight kid like series Chen and a lot of other three watching members they know their teammates and so

[00:20:30] like the song doesn't feel like JYP wrote it and had to figure out in cherry pick who could sing what parts it was more like okay Hyunjin you're really good at this you're really

[00:20:39] intense you want to show the first verse you know Felix he wants you for the post-course you know like everyone kind of had a role to play and that was at the time I think when three third gen

[00:20:47] was coming around was more popular to have self-produced idols like 17 and stuff like that so it's cool to kind of see them be so young and actually know how to make themselves sound good

[00:20:56] so elevator for me I didn't care for but this I was like I respect it and it's so funny like I said back before like the unseriousness of like hey girl I want to have it with you

[00:21:07] so like hey girl you want to have it with me too we're done with the world this is holy far kind of like it's just like oh okay okay I love the switch because it's nice to kind of see

[00:21:18] kpop even though it was fun and lighthearted also start to take itself a little bit seriously because here in the west we had lord and you know a lot of these like broken down kind of pop music

[00:21:29] trends are going on so it became a lot more serious we stayed in that bag and it upsets me but at least over there they were still kind of like pushing the boundaries with the EDM and

[00:21:38] the seriousness so you could at least have a little bit of like a headbottom moment while you're fighting the power but yeah I appreciate what they're doing it sounds rebellious it set them apart from the

[00:21:47] predecessors really well but yeah I feel like in terms of like debut quality it is a little bit on the side of where day six was when day six came out I liked them I was okay it's cool or like

[00:21:58] when I hear their debut song I like them but I will say the song is a little bit like repetitive except in the second verse which is crazy because I'm like this is where you you know

[00:22:09] could kind of like probably use the same beat but I guess it kind of just calls away for the rappers the bridge breaks away it breaks down to like it's a little bit more quiet

[00:22:16] too I appreciate that but then you get to the last chorus and it's just like I heard this already you had a guitar in it why didn't you play with the guitar more where's my main vocal

[00:22:25] wow yeah yeah something give me something that feels like with the song like it breaks out as a cathartic moment vocally they all sound pretty decent wooh-jin now looking back on it and him

[00:22:38] not being a groupie more for some reason for me this thing's hamsonically he does not fit in certain parts of the song interesting I mean not like he doesn't fit like in the group but

[00:22:47] I feel like maybe he's underutilized for that one section of the song because he would have been great for that yeah moment I'm talking about I probably am just talking about my but I didn't

[00:22:56] really listen to the full album much less than this one single but yeah not a bad song decent debut I'm off my soapbox now you're done it's hard it is hard to compare because you know first off

[00:23:07] kpop changed so much like it was kind of fun listening to these three songs right after the other because it's kind of jarring what happened in those 10 years yeah man it's a little

[00:23:19] hard to compare because obviously the production value improved quite a lot jyp did step back from the writing so now he's not involved in this at all I mean he was the executive producer quote on

[00:23:29] quote so he gave his final approval but yeah he didn't like do more than that um and so it's it's it's different listening to this than the other two so that makes it a little tough to

[00:23:40] do a direct comparison I will say in general straight kids for me has also been quite divisive wow I'm like not a jyp fan sorry man uh I'm like being such a mean bird I'm so mean about all these songs

[00:23:53] you're not being mean it's real it's truthful you know this is my opinion yeah I saw a personal opinion but uh having seen straight kids live and having seen their progression as well they've

[00:24:01] grown on me as a group quite a lot so and they've really refined their sound right like I think we've said that with these latest songs like they've really learned how to make it

[00:24:11] like really interesting and appeal to a lot of different people and even more so use their member strengths really really well and but it is kind of cool hearing that they were able to do that so

[00:24:23] well even from their first yeah because I do agree with that I think the thing with this and obviously straight kids even from the very beginning they had the word noisy associated with their music

[00:24:35] and you can kind of hear why with this song because it's very powerful like it hits hard from the second it starts it's super dramatic but the issue with that is then there's nowhere for it to go

[00:24:46] go yeah there's no build because it starts at a 10 yeah and it's like great it can only go down and back to a 10 so that's why I think you mentioned that final chorus not really hitting

[00:24:57] that's probably why because it's like the dynamics start just so like yeah and that honestly I think everything except that synth the post-chorus breakdown thing is really good that synth the part is annoying that's where it loses me and that hell whatever they

[00:25:17] did you know I was just like like it's just not nice to the ears it's just again not for me because like that paired with like Felix's like very low like oh yeah I understand what they

[00:25:30] are going for but it's just not something I would listen to like it makes my heart race more that like not in a good way do you know what I mean like it's not like I'm like chilling doing work and then

[00:25:42] that song comes on it like adds stress to my life like it's not like it's like a calm it aggravates your body a little bit yeah it's not something I can like like happily bop to

[00:25:53] like it's just so intense you know I agree I will say I agree with you again that the vocal dynamic is really good the rap flows are very good like across all the members each of

[00:26:03] them are super unique and that's really what keeps it interesting the whole time because the actual chorus and stuff is just kind of okay like where it's at so yeah I think it is a solid

[00:26:15] debut like especially knowing kind of where they went as well right it kind of makes sense it's not a bad song but they've just done so much better since then no you're sorry I think it

[00:26:24] is it's a matter of just being solid improving worth as opposed to like this is iconic you know so it's much appreciated I will say it's interesting because I'm pretty sure and fans you guys can

[00:26:35] correct me please if I'm wrong but or across all three of these groups really because for my understanding none of these three songs actually did very well like none of these three were the

[00:26:44] breakthrough song for these groups like it would be a couple singles in or even the next single maybe because it was again and again right after this for 2pm I think I remember the order but

[00:26:54] like yeah these songs were not the successful ones you know like they were just the intro so that's interesting like this isn't an sm situation where it's like replay is still like what are the

[00:27:07] huge just songs and like you know like the girl groups like it's the winning number one and yeah I want to be yeah yeah like it's just yeah it's interesting like none of these were

[00:27:18] known as these groups best at all what would be struggling you know maybe the girls come out they're like it's in love like I don't know what that is the girls I'm here for the girlies all right

[00:27:28] what was wonder girls debut single again uh it was irony they didn't win for that oh no I didn't like that song either there was just a bit more of a trajectory back then for kpop anyway we're

[00:27:39] down with round one the song oh yeah what wins for you oh damn I'm trying to figure out I'm stuck between the nostalgia and actual like song quality yeah yeah yeah I understand I understand you know

[00:27:54] I'm gonna go girls girls girls when it came out it was not terrible like I think it was mildly decisive for like older fans yeah like what the hell that was like there but for me I feel like the song

[00:28:03] they would have needed to do the raps were pretty solid it was in that sweet spot of like knowing who the guys were because like with straight because you know who they are with with their

[00:28:14] parts of the song but with god seven's debut you knew they were personality wise like instantly because of the way they delivered and where they performed I'm like are they singing or whatever

[00:28:23] I get more personality from the way they sing than I do with straight kids straight kids that they put their angry at me love it but it just doesn't feel like my favorite song you know

[00:28:32] but yeah what songs do you do you had unfavorable reviews yeah I'm not a fan of any of these I guess if I had to choose one to listen to right now yeah I would probably choose straight kids

[00:28:44] well I'm surprised that you wouldn't do yeah I would you know where you while you're working now on to round two round two and this is the music video portion of our show all right so

[00:29:02] now we have first yeah you know 10 oh boy okay I feel like obviously this concept has not aged very well so like it's kind of unfair to judge it just on that because back then you know like this

[00:29:17] was okay you know to have these guys like objectifying this woman like while they're at work and stuff like it's all just a little gross I would say you know it is like I'm not giving them a

[00:29:30] pass but I've done it when I'm working someplace I say I'm really happy we're all just like he's fine I think that's natural to do yeah that's why I feel like it's okay ish I just think

[00:29:40] like yeah but this wouldn't be okay now no no yeah this wouldn't be okay now I will say I did see an interview with Gina who is you know one of the cameo guests stars in this music video

[00:29:52] and she said that she I think someone asked her like was this an awkward music video shoot and she was like no it was fun and like it was like her debut single so they were excited and like

[00:30:01] it was a good time so that's good to hear that she wasn't like okay like these cameras are zooming in on my everything yeah like cleavage everywhere my elbow cleavage my back cleavage I will say what

[00:30:15] this video does well though is it does kind of make the guys seem kind of like losers which approachable like like they're they're good looking but they're also like kind of losers

[00:30:25] so then that balance works like all those awkward moments when they wake up from the earth when from these delusions and stuff and they're like slapping each other and stuff that kept it fun

[00:30:36] and like as opposed to just pervy yeah okay yeah yeah yeah creepy's good too the dancing is so funny that tin foil fan situation at the back oh the pot tart baked potato room yeah oh man

[00:30:52] it's so classic second gen k-pop um so that I just feel nostalgic whenever I see a scene like that yes absolutely and yeah you know I think people forget that like especially with Jay Park that

[00:31:06] was still there like all the break dancing stuff was so him cool and extra at the time oh oh true but it was him though like he was a b-boy from Seattle and like yeah crazy they're like you

[00:31:18] would that really set them apart at the time yes and so those scenes really do stand out they're very impressive like all the break dancing stuff we'll talk more about it in the choreo but obviously

[00:31:26] it's featured in the video so yeah you know what at the end of the day I think they balanced it well I'm not gonna judge it on like a gross concept because again at the time it was like fine so

[00:31:36] I'm crying yeah I didn't I didn't have that in my mind like at the time at the time and I think about I think because I grew up with movies like shallow howl or something like that I think

[00:31:44] I'm okay with that kind of like wow shallow howl haven't thought about that one in a while I know I just thought of it just now as I just accept it but if you haven't seen shallow howl the premise

[00:31:54] is this man is a shallow man he thinks a bunch of like hot girls and then like he gets like this weird manifestation spell put on him and he sees a woman for how beautiful she is on the inside

[00:32:03] and I will say nothing else about that but movies like that or the trends so I think this was like one of those kind of things where it's just like yo if I could just have one second with

[00:32:12] this girl I could make magic happen but yeah I do like the approach of everything like you said these these huge question mark guys were like oh well she's so hot the fantasies are hilarious I love

[00:32:26] wee yugs when he's like sucking on too soon to sping I think that's so funny because it's like out of the world did you get your friend spinging your mouth again it's like that old 2000s maybe

[00:32:36] like slightly early 2010s humor and movies I mean granted JYP at the time with their music videos were kind of sus anyway but that's for another day check out our reels on cctv pops on

[00:32:47] all social media where I probably will drag him for that but anyway it was nice to see Gina because I remember around that time like Gina was kind of like in JYP's like sphere or whatever

[00:32:57] and like she went to do solo things and then you've been to the video too and she ended up being the one big girl so it's kind of nice to see like these cameo things and what I like

[00:33:05] most about the video is like not just like that they were awkward but you could also kind of see that they were still young still kind of fresh and there was a charm about them where because

[00:33:20] they were kind of seen as kind of whole beastly idols they with their little bird chests you cannot convince me at this time that they were beastly idols but like you said the flipping

[00:33:30] much small the much of it it was just very much like hot guys with big bodies because they were all like five 10 and up except Jay Park who's like five sorry Jay and we young because we're shorter but

[00:33:42] it was nice to see young boys having fun and there's like a naive crush feel to me as opposed like just creepiness so I think at the time it was just seen as like oh naive crush on girl

[00:33:53] hot girl oh my god i'm gonna marry her one day you know so I like the twist though that she ended up having a boyfriend good for her you know why would she not have a boyfriend she's fine as hell

[00:34:03] all right moving on to player two girls girls girls and this concept is kind of like step up right like it's these popular cocky people and they have an underground hangout where they dance

[00:34:19] you're annoying but they dance no you're still right it's like this is a teen club like I went to a fashion show last night and I'm like this music playing and no one's dancing I'm like this is

[00:34:30] not that makes sense that's that's what you'd expect I think I hate that I hate so much but yes wait for the video because you already don't like the song so I'm joking I'm totally joking

[00:34:41] but you want me to go first um you know what yeah you can go for it because I'm very curious to know how you feel about it because I mean like the song is not the video you know some

[00:34:49] videos make the song and one time we both were kind of like you know XO's growl is just dancing but it did what it needs to do and it should have just been the video how do you feel about

[00:34:58] this one because it was just really just dancing and boy it's just being like boy what do you think about it well first off shout out to Nyon and Donghyun yeah they make their little cameos very cute

[00:35:08] I will say that intro is too long but it was cute to watch um that uh yeah I do not think it's as effective as growl that's an interesting comparison you're right even think about that

[00:35:21] I guess in in a way I guess when it started right you see them in high school or whatever and I was like oh god this is gonna be like them I don't know just being like cocky jocks in high school so

[00:35:31] I'm glad it wasn't that I'm glad it wasn't that yeah I thought it was fine I don't know I'm a little underwhelmed I think because the dance routine which we'll talk about in round three is like just okay in my opinion it's not like growl where it's like

[00:35:51] yeah super super impressive and the musicality is like insane and right um like honestly I think with this one I think the boys did a really good job like all the facials and stuff they

[00:36:04] they definitely have the confidence to pull off the lyrics because sometimes with these young boys sometimes you get when you when you're given lyrics like this like they can't really execute it right

[00:36:13] because they don't actually feel that right um but in this case I think they they do a good job of it I think the double frame moments are fun I think those are kind of the standout moments there but

[00:36:24] I do think this one did need a bit more of a story I don't think the choreography was strong enough to carry it just as a music video yeah what do you think you know I'm trying not to let my

[00:36:33] reaction be trained my actual notes I have to make a note of like the little details so they're yellow uniforms from the soul performing arts high school which is like one of the most famous

[00:36:43] school for kids who are looking to make it so I guess having them be like those hot boys in those specific uniforms kind of just like wow they go to performing arts school what do they

[00:36:55] do after school because you know obviously they're not going to like a hogwan or like an academy to increase their academics so where do they go and it was this underground dance club

[00:37:05] I'm telling you right now the real life is not like that okay the real this music video was a simulation of what I wish life was really like dance battles uh can you imagine dance battling

[00:37:16] for a scene on the bus wow any who will do it all my point is they were meant to kind of be like the not the epitome but I guess the epitome of like a cool kid at the time and it was going to

[00:37:28] souls performing arts um and there are hotties like you can see their face and you get the lineup you get to kind of see like ooh who's that one because in 2 p.m. so you got the names

[00:37:37] and this one you just got faces and also shout out to you gym's forehead because that's the last time we've ever seen this kid's forehead in this video after that it was just bang bang bang bang bang

[00:37:46] bangs but yeah shout to his forehead we haven't seen it so I'm milk cartons everywhere anyway like you mentioned Junghyun and uh Naeun they had a lot of girls from the 16

[00:37:55] the reality show in this I always like that about kpop they kind of have like this cool like thing where it's like we're going to use the talent we already have instead of hiring random

[00:38:05] random people from the street but yes this video much like the song was it's part of the swag era oh my god jeez a lead the logos the hba the outfits oh my god woof but unfortunately they were cursed

[00:38:20] with matching outfit of the swag era where you had jackson his haram pants and look like he had a baby diaper on you had uh Junghyun with his or j jr at the time he was on his junior because his

[00:38:31] name is jyp as well that was terrible for him oh we have jr at the time with his spock haircut and jb with his gray hair I don't know what in the world was happening I don't know why this was thought

[00:38:42] as to be an edgy thing but it wasn't but luckily their faces are cute enough to get past it if you do agree the video is not super like wow effective and I feel so bad for the extras who

[00:38:52] had to stay there all day filming this one scene and the way they set up the story is a little bit underwhelming because Nanya is supposed to be this girl also from the same school she's unassuming

[00:39:03] she's mousy and then she finds jb's earring after that they don't ever interact again and she's and she's on the side of the stage the whole time just confused and smiling and just staring

[00:39:17] and wonderment and no and jb never gets his earring back it's just okay there's no answer like honestly there is a version of this where the story is fully fleshed out release the Snyder cut release the

[00:39:28] Snyder cut now because I need to know what's happening um but yeah I mean it does what it needs to do and I think at the time had people not known about 2 p.m because of what a substantial amount

[00:39:39] of time had passed and music had changed so much and you had all these western influenced members who spoke english and all this crap like that it was interesting to see them flipping

[00:39:49] and twirling and pointing at things that was typically like oh my god is he moving his hips and gyrating so again back to what you were saying it was effective in terms of like

[00:40:01] them performing and them doing the flips it was impressive at the time so definitely like you know Mark doing a cork flip like what oh yeah like what is that oh yeah no that was all very impressive

[00:40:11] at the time right or I mean even now it's impressive but like the choreography in general like overall I just don't think it's strong enough to carry yeah absolutely those are the best part

[00:40:20] like the flipping and you know we'll talk about it later I like why the choreography kind of caught my attention and mostly because of the flips and the tricking but yeah I mean for the most part

[00:40:29] again release the Snyder cut it was a full story yeah it's okay okay all right well our final player straight kids district nine what do you think yes obviously the budget and production

[00:40:41] value increased a lot oh my god yes this is crazy because god said we got treated like you know if this doesn't work out at least we didn't spend that much money that's what I felt like for god's

[00:40:50] you know for real that were like a vehicle the way marvel is using their movies for vehicles for their girl group they're like hey we have new girl group members 16 yeah anyone

[00:41:00] but he would have to don't I like this video I like it in terms of like the story because it's fully fleshed out but 2 p.m. also had a fully fleshed story and their dance scenes and it all

[00:41:11] worked out so I think 2 p.m. and straight kids had a better like fleshed out videos for sure not even counting production quality because for me I can give two crabs if you made it with a

[00:41:19] with a damn potato or if you made it with like a sony whatever kind of camera I don't care it's about like the full thing right and I think theirs is pretty good I just feel like it's

[00:41:28] very typical at the time the whole rebellious k-pop thing with the wearing all white you're you know your whole life's a simulation kind of thing breaking out BTS did it would say no who else did it

[00:41:42] lucky one XO did it like okay we get it this one I guess was a little bit more geared toward the youth those wholeness you know the young people like break out from this become become a stray cat

[00:41:54] I mean a stray kid who's he's become a stray kid break out from the system you know straight kids all over the world I appreciate that them breaking out and I'd like that they didn't copy the movie

[00:42:05] District 9 because I was more alien base this was was more like the dystopian thing that was really hot with like Hunger Games and crap like that so it was effective enough like them

[00:42:14] trying to figure out how to survive in the real world and them dancing and taking over and becoming a gaggle and gang of straight children I appreciate that I mean it was a fact

[00:42:24] I like the water scene though I think that's like probably my favorite one because I'm like dancing wet work and yeah dancing is always hard and they made it look really cool and I

[00:42:31] appreciate their effort for sure it looks yeah that looks cool with the fire like the cars on fire and stuff in the background too um yeah again I'm gonna preface the same thing it's so

[00:42:41] hard to compare this to the other two because it clearly just has like five extra budget of the other two so it's not very fair in that way I will say it's an entertaining video I do like the whole

[00:42:53] kind of prison break yeah dystopian prison break theme um there is some really interesting imagery there this is where kind of you know k-pop also was becoming so extra where it's like you

[00:43:05] see one scene for like three seconds you never see it again it's like they probably spent a whole day solving that and they used it for those two seconds yeah but yeah some really cool

[00:43:15] shots like them all lined up against the wall was cool uh the bus scenes were cool like they also seemed to be having a lot of fun I will say just think the camera work was super shaky

[00:43:24] throughout the whole thing I get it because you know they're trying to just add to the or keep up with the end up please don't add up to the intensity of the song or or like

[00:43:34] or work with the intensity of the song but it is just too much like throughout like it was just a lot and I think the video at least maybe we mentioned the song doesn't have a build because

[00:43:45] it kind of just starts at level 10 but the song I mean the video clearly has a story and so yeah I enjoyed it and it's hard for me to judge it against the other two because I feel like it's

[00:43:56] not really fair oh I I I get what you're coming from for me I'm just like what's the fact story dancing good go but they all know me so what wins for you then

[00:44:10] it's tough I'm stuck between 2 p.m and straight kids like again because they both have a story they're both effective but I feel like at the time straight kids videos are super typical I don't

[00:44:18] care what budget they have it's fair typical you know I'm gonna give it to p.m because for me I just like the story was there the personalities were there the dancing was there it does what

[00:44:26] it needs to do it shows the power and there's like you said with the choreography the dancing it shows like their personalities and it fits the song so it does all of the things for me that's fair

[00:44:38] most freaking second I'll give them a close second just because of budget yeah okay no I appreciate that argument yeah you know what I'm gonna stick with the same critique for this bowl

[00:44:47] pop off where if I had to watch a video right now which one would I choose to watch stay uh 2 p.m for me and yeah I would probably also choose 2 p.m in that case yeah oh really oh shoot out of these

[00:45:00] you surprised me okay no I mean if I want to look at some really cute boys uh oh I'll do I'll do god 7 but 2 p.m we got it all right hey we are at the middle of our pop off kind of sort of middle

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[00:45:33] starting with 2 p.m with 10 out of 10 so I watched a lot of performances of this so I watched the debut stages I also watched a couple like tour performances and stuff through the years just

[00:45:43] to see how it progressed and it didn't really they kind of stayed very true to it kind of the entire time uh so that was fun but the vocals haven't brewed for sure oh my god so I

[00:45:54] will first shout out the live vocals overall because look 2 p.m we're never known at the whole yeah as great singers right yeah aside from maybe june k right like he's like amazing yeah but I have

[00:46:12] to say like watching these like debut stages and stuff back they were solid like they did what they needed to do they were on key they sounded close to the record you know they did what they

[00:46:21] needed to do gonna give some props there because I think the problem was they debuted at a time when like the other idol groups were really good singers good yeah so in comparison they were yeah they just sounded like crap but honestly objectively looking back they actually were

[00:46:38] not bad so and they got better as I said it no I agree it's just so funny though I think this choreography is very effective actually it's very very fun like it goes along with what

[00:46:48] you were saying with the song and the video like it's kind of silly they're not taking themselves too seriously um but then you mix it with awesome awesome break dancing moments and tricks and stuff

[00:47:00] like the intro or the outro it's like acrobats it's like it's like there's so much go with all the flips and the stuff the floor stuff like it's just a lot but it's very very impressive

[00:47:11] it's like no normal person can do that right so um that kept it very very fun and the point dance is fun like the the raise the roof situation very memorable and allowed them to just perform

[00:47:25] to the camera as well really so I thoroughly enjoyed watching them perform it he said I thoroughly let me just make this very clear you know care for the song I'm teasing I'm teasing

[00:47:36] I'm totally teasing but um you know I'm laughing because I just I just had flashbacks of the costumes and all this other stuff and I thought about what you said about well who was out

[00:47:45] the time like literally Big Bang had come out with Haru Haru at the same time there was no guys were gonna like there was no way and then Ihori was out and like Fandombi like it was like the

[00:47:55] the the the advent is that the word I want to use here but it was like the peak like soloist time and like IU was out too so it was like they were never like they can't hold up but

[00:48:05] the effort was there and I'm thinking about Chung Sub and his bun it has unshaved armpits like there's so many memories it's just nowadays you cannot catch an idol without like nary a hair

[00:48:20] and how unstyled they were like their hair would be cut yes but like it wasn't like the gelled up permed to the gods yeah they look like they just walked out of the street I'll walked off the

[00:48:30] street yeah absolutely if you have ever been to New York City that's what these stages look like like just random passion go to so if you really want to see some crazy stuff but anyway I think

[00:48:43] about like their plaid costuming and it's just like wearing those clothes probably were cool at the time but I can't imagine with what they were wearing the skinny jeans the type of sneakers like the fabrics everything like that the chains them being comfortable doing all these backhand

[00:48:56] springs etc like JinSoul at one point was doing a backhand spring in his hood on his head yeah look cool but all it takes is for you to have that on your face and it's a broken neck

[00:49:06] jake park having to do or j-bomb at the time having to do the b-boy and I've seen him bumble it a couple times you know it's hard to sit there and do like I don't know what's called a needle

[00:49:17] I don't know what it's called but like anyway it's hard for them to sit there and do these b-boy moves within an eight count especially if there are different levels because he has to you know

[00:49:26] I've seen him fall out of it but kudos to him like again the outfits the dancing the performance were very much side of the times like they're out of breath but at least you

[00:49:33] know that the the mics are on you know I'm saying oh yeah and back to what you were saying about you know j-bomb being like the middle the center like them focusing on him it is so good that they

[00:49:44] did have that b-boying thing because you had big bang with how do how do you work what do you have we have guys that can flip can they do this so at least they had that um and you look at

[00:49:55] them perform you can see their personalities again the variety had the cue boy type the hadi boy type of the cool boy types so there was something for everyone to kind of like and um yeah

[00:50:05] like you said it's just nice to kind of see their progression and yeah watching them do it like now it's like grown men it's just hilarious they have not changed it it's just them in a sense of like

[00:50:13] their spirit but I'm glad their music definitely better just want to kind of oh yeah that's clear all right all right player two got seven yeah what do you think you know what the swag

[00:50:26] era was really got jackson doing the dougie left and right all these oh my gosh yeah that male's getting ready to break his neck doing the dougie every five oh my god you know as a as a

[00:50:37] sister out here watching it at the time I wasn't as annoyed but now as a grown woman a grown sister I'm like oh my god please stop make it stop even the fashions like it's it's interesting because

[00:50:50] I think bts was coming out or like was out and was kind of making a name for themselves so everyone was wearing like the bull's jersey the red and black bull's jersey the hba hood by air

[00:51:00] stuff a lot of like very quote-unquote urban street wear and oh my god snapbacks and chains and the layering of the t-shirts and longer shirts the heroin pants whoa boy it was overwhelming but the guys

[00:51:17] knew like they are like quintessential millennial meme in a group and it was cool watching it at the time but again back to what I was saying about like the outfits in the choreo them having to flip

[00:51:30] them having to slide on the floor and jordan's and things like that jordan's are not dancer dancing friendly shoes i've gotten stuck i've squeaked like they really handled what was given to them really well and they seemed believable because it was the trend at the time like

[00:51:48] bam bam to this day still dabs and it bothers me because like it's been dead for like 10 years um even though it hasn't been out that long but he wore it out but they were genuine and i appreciate

[00:52:00] it and they were confident and i appreciate it and again you had the flip so it was cool but yeah i don't have anything else that's just it's just it's just confidence flirtiness and

[00:52:08] they were it was solid nothing too crazy because we're going to get kind of like into like the we're already in the choreography section wow let me forget we're in the choreography section

[00:52:16] i do remember at the time like there was a lot of like remember quest crew from america's best dance crew first you remember there like final performance with the piano where they pushed i think steve over

[00:52:27] to do like a backflip over like four members like their final performance like there's an assisted push back but either way i'm watching these intro performances for girl girls girls and i remember being really annoyed that got seven choreographer stole the assisted push backflip

[00:52:43] because mark barely kind of sort of landed it like seven out of ten times and i was like come on guys i get that they're supposed to be flipping and stuff like that but like they don't have to like

[00:52:51] copy people's choreography i think it's interesting that that jb their jb their jbum was a b-boy as well so you have some moments like that in the choreography and also the choreography for girls

[00:53:03] so girls really risk a like in the verses not in the chorus yet kind of because you have like jackson kind of pointing at his hips but like jb talk about how many girls want him like

[00:53:12] they're flipping them shirt their shirts and stuff like that them yes some of them are like but that's what you were saying that like the point dance is not like amazing but you know

[00:53:23] it was effective because of who they are yeah sorry that was disjointed y'all had a mild brain fart yeah that was like a very disjointed rant a little bit that's okay

[00:53:33] i'm sorry what i lost my place in my notes i'm sorry okay so it's interesting because this is like a clear part two of the 2 p.m song like the brief is exactly the same it's like

[00:53:51] keep it kind of silly but have moments of confidence yeah and like have all this all these like tricks and flips and stuff yeah kind of all throughout it so it's kind of yeah watching them

[00:54:02] back to back like that i never thought of that before but yeah it's like literally the exact same brief the reason i feel like this one's not as effective as the got as a 2 p.m one i think

[00:54:14] it just comes down to the song i think i think the 2 p.m song matches that idea where it's like it's these young guys that are confident and they're horny and you know like but there is this

[00:54:30] like campiness to it like that you had mentioned to the song so then when they do kind of these more silly kind of fun things in the choreography mixed with that stuff it just it works i think

[00:54:42] yeah yeah i don't think the like cute fun stuff where they're like pointing at each other and stuff that doesn't match the song to me do you know what i mean like the song is so yeah like

[00:54:52] because the song is so confident or and doesn't have that kind of silliness attached to it like like i said it's literally just i'm so hot period big dot that's it got you got you got you and so

[00:55:07] then when they add that stuff to the performance it just doesn't make sense musically for me i think is what it is i think they execute it well um i think i said as well in the video like they perform

[00:55:18] really well the facials are really really good yeah i agree they did well with what they were given i just don't think the musicality fully makes sense i don't love the finger wagging and like the

[00:55:30] like oh my god yeah like i don't know it's okay fingers not super effective for me i don't know yeah vocally they're good yeah i mean they also sang live the whole time which is good oh my gosh

[00:55:44] you know that that was still the era at the time everyone would sing live so yeah i think a same with two as with 2 p.m like they were solid i think got seven also is not really known to be

[00:55:54] like really strong vocalists overall like as a group you know like that's not something people really point to them for but i think they sound good with what they have and and the choreography

[00:56:04] is athletic enough that it is impressive to sound good during it i guess yeah yeah yeah it's solid i'd say it's solid like you know decent yeah stop all right the final player is straight kids with

[00:56:15] district nine all right wow this was the era of noise like you mentioned um the song is is intense and so is the choreography it's like super confrontational i will say that it does

[00:56:29] fit in terms of like the lore of the song what they're trying to say or rebellious or breaking out there's straight kids all over the world band together etc etc i'm a rebel without

[00:56:38] a cause but the cause is to be myself um it fits like it's very angsty like you know fun or slamming the hip hop but but now i will say it is a little bit tough in terms of like comparing i thought it

[00:56:53] would be but it's not if i'm being fair in terms of like now you think about the timing of it just in terms of musicality because no one's b-boying in straight kids no one can be boy in

[00:57:04] straight kids no one's with black flips and straight kids right so they have those the the predecessors have those advantages but what straight kids has is synchronicity they are very tight and i think that's what helps us with the barrel turn barrel turns are not something

[00:57:17] you can kind of like ah we're gonna just kind of start to get that right you have to be together if one of you don't jump at the right time or one of you lands weirdly it's just

[00:57:26] it just goes off the line uh the barrel turn is that jump that they do right before the chorus comes in and it's so impactful because by the time the chorus comes in with uh ten singing it it looks

[00:57:35] a little bit more like explosiveness splashes like it literally splashes so i appreciate that and like you said about like the prior groups the vocals weren't there but chan and wu jin as like chorus you know we're holding the chorus down vocalist great the lead vocalist whose names

[00:57:51] escape me i'm so sorry i don't want to sung mean one is i n in the other ones i don't remember but or maybe i answer i don't know am i the huge fan stays correct us nicely please but the vocalist

[00:58:01] all together they were actually putting effort from what i saw from the tv show as well the tv show as well they were really like singing they could actually kind of hold notes you know

[00:58:15] and them having felix it's tough because he's not a typical vocalist and a lot of them unfortunately k-pop doesn't have harmonies where they can figure out how to work in a base like that

[00:58:26] but they figured it out make this guy a rapper which is fine a little typical but i appreciate the effort give him a moment to shine and it makes the group as a whole sound different because at

[00:58:37] the time remember everyone being super shocked that his this like kid's voice sounded the way it did you had that shock that shock value you have the performance level the quality was there they don't have a point dance and that's completely fine at this point because

[00:58:52] i think it was more about making a statement like i mentioned and i appreciate the teamwork the chemistry is there so overall i think they have the best of what i wanted from dot seven in terms of choreography quality and performance quality they have from 2pm because

[00:59:11] 2pm was very entertaining i watched them i'm like i'm entertained it's just a lot overwhelmed but entertained yeah the choreography is very very sharp and high energy like i've said before straight kids are amazing performers like they are so good and i agree with you it really

[00:59:28] is like the synchronicity of it and just the dynamic of it like they're really good at hitting things super super hard and coming out of them like really soft like it's just really good just

[00:59:40] dance ability so like again that's hard to compare because yeah the quality of dance in general and k-pop has improved a lot like you have to be a really really good dancer to be in k-pop now like

[00:59:55] you can't be only okay i think overall the choreography is good i think there's some really cool moments in it especially all the the footwork in it and the floor work as well

[01:00:07] like when they do of course the like annoying noisy part is the coolest part like when they're on the floor and stuff you know and then the footwork and everything and i'd like how they do slow down

[01:00:18] the choreo sometimes to add to that build and dynamic that as we said is kind of missing from the song itself so i think they did do a good job of that that being said though

[01:00:31] they do so much better now yeah the choreography is so much better now so looking at it that way this was only okay you know i do wish there was a point dance like i feel like every k-pop dance

[01:00:45] should have a point dance we've gotten used to it yeah and i think it helps with the memory of the song did this performance make me like the song more though yes but do i want to watch it

[01:00:56] all the time no yeah yeah i agree i agree in that aspect so i'm not sure if my my choice is going to be surprising at all but i think i'm going to give it to 2 p.m in terms of not just for

[01:01:09] nostalgia this is back to what i was saying before again just give me what i want there's athleticism there's personality unfortunately with straight kids it's just a lot of just dance

[01:01:18] team and i'm trying to think like it's just is that enough me to be like they should take the round i'm not sure but for me i feel like 2 p.m is not bad the choreography the quality is not

[01:01:30] like as like intricate but they weren't pay-rable performance wise they weren't pay-rable yeah but yeah unfortunately straight kids kind of got like a lot of dance team motion so i feel like as impressive as it is being impressive isn't memorable people still cover 10 out of 10 right

[01:01:46] i can't see someone trying to tempt this i would love to learn this just for the sake of athletic as a dancer athletic just can i do this can i still have it am i washed up that's not a good

[01:01:57] enough reason for me to give it a winner though you know i'm saying like it's a great choreography i think is again close second i think it's really cool i like it it's fun but i think 2 p.m in terms of

[01:02:05] performance being memorable yeah i think what about you first off i just want to know we do know that members of straight kids can do flips and stuff don't come for us for that

[01:02:16] that's not what shan meant she just meant in this performance what anyone tried to defend and say what are you talking about straight kids can do all the stuff like we know they just didn't do it in

[01:02:26] the choreography for this song yes okay my winner is yeah you know what i'll give it to 2 p.m again to what same criteria if i had to watch one right now i would watch one of that one of theirs

[01:02:40] you know yeah it was just the most interesting one out of the three whoopsie well i mean listen if you are a stay once again do not take anything personally it's never been that deep it's just music it's just

[01:02:52] boys and it's just k-pop it's all meant for fun but yeah we're gonna pick an ultimate winner overall so just you know again if you're still here stays be kind to those comments no because

[01:03:03] people have to try to drag us i'm like listen we're too old to be worried about this um but yeah so that being said be nice and let us know your winners for each category

[01:03:13] either if you're not a stay if you're a hotiz or if you're a agace let us know in the comments below in a kind way no none of those jyp wars uh let us know all your favorites are in each category

[01:03:23] um christ how do you decide your ultimate winner yes i will give it to 2 p.m how about you say i'm gonna give the two p.m i feel like they won majority majority of the other

[01:03:32] girls supermaid too so yeah i thought somebody took one round i'll give it to them one round i gave three kids one round as well yeah so this was an interesting topic to do

[01:03:41] for sure i'm gonna be honest at least for me like i'm not a huge fan of any of these songs but of course both of us are big fans of all three of these groups now um and so they all improved

[01:03:54] a lot so it was fun going back but yeah sorry not for me not a huge fan of any of these that's hilarious you know it's funny because the debut era is so rough and i feel like if any

[01:04:04] fangirls how could you say that you are blind and that's the problem with kpop like a lot of blind fandom like you have to understand like when you start out it's gonna be rough like even my first

[01:04:12] song i'm like it's cute but is not as good as like one of my recent songs on my album you know i'm saying unless you're shiny yeah or itzy apparently because itzy was kicking behind

[01:04:24] yeah but let us know what we should do next for another pop-off like should we do the jyp girl groups or we can do a different company oh yeah we can do just one artist and just do like

[01:04:34] their first three singles or something oh yeah we're very open so let us know what you want and if you join our crew on patreon you get priority choice so come join at patreon.com

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